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Contrary to Popular Outrage, Pope Francis Didn’t Call Mahmoud Abbas ‘an Angel of Peace’
PJ Media ^
| May 17, 2015
| Stephen Kruiser
Posted on 05/17/2015 4:20:02 PM PDT by NYer
Another day, another misquote.
I hate to get into a public disagreement with a colleague here, but the outrage du jour seems to be based on a translation that may or may not be deliberately wrong. As the BBC and the Associated Press are at the root of it, I’m leaning towards the former.
A BBC reporter in the room claimed that Pope Francis said “you are an angel of peace” while presenting a gift (which is Vatican tradition) to Abbas.
The Vatican reporter for the Italian newspaper La Stampa has it differently:
As is tradition with heads of State or of government, Francis presented presented a gift to the Palestinian leader, commenting: May the angel of peace destroy the evil spirit of war. I thought of you: may you be an angel of peace.
Calling someone something and exhorting him to be that something are two entirely different things.
What has befuddled me and several of my conservative friends who are also devout Roman Catholics is the willingness of our conservative friends to take news about this pope at face value from MSM outlets that aren’t trusted for anything else.
I can tell you this: MSM reporting on the Vatican, the Church or whomever is pope at the time almost always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The media has an obsession with Francis because they’ve convinced themselves that he’s the pope who will make the Church become a gay marriage, abortion loving free-for-all. This, even though barely six months into his tenure, Francis excommunicated a priest for supporting women priests and gay marriage.
As with any political agenda supported by the MSM, it is willing to bend facts to shoehorn stories into the narrative.
Also read:
The Pope Is Catholic, Not an American Politician
TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abbas; francis
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To: NYer
"Francis excommunicated a priest for supporting women priests and gay marriage."
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According to the same source PJ Media cites, that is
incorrect. From the source article:
"Archbishop Denis Hart did say the excommunication is a
consequence of Fr. Reynolds continuing to preach and
celebrate Mass after he resigned from the priesthood."
To: Salvation
Media gets things mixed up all the time. So does Francis. That's why we have Fr. Lombardi, to lie, and Cardinal Mueller to correct.
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posted on
05/17/2015 7:25:02 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: ronnietherocket3
"why should I lose faith that the Pope is an orthodox
Catholic because he is misquoted by liberals and a decent
percentage of conservatives?"
I can understand the feelings behind the "shoot the messenger"
way of coping with bad news. I've done it myself. I imagine
even over 500 years ago, during the Borgia reign, many
a messenger were shot. But it didn't change the reality.
To: LouieFisk
You’d think that, but what Jesus really wants is conversion, even conversion from genocide.
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posted on
05/17/2015 7:33:05 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("I'm in yer chair, beebing some buttons." ~ Kathleen)
To: LouieFisk
I can understand the feelings behind the "shoot the messenger" way of coping with bad news. I've done it myself. I imagine even over 500 years ago, during the Borgia reign, many a messenger were shot. But it didn't change the reality.
Can you point to a statement that this pope has made that is heresy and explain why it is heresy?
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posted on
05/17/2015 7:38:42 PM PDT
by
ronnietherocket3
(Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
To: Tax-chick
"Youd think that, but what Jesus really wants is conversion, even conversion from genocide."
I would submit that a decision to commit genocide is not
compatible with conversion. i.e. they are mutually exclusive.
To: ronnietherocket3
"Can you point to a statement that this pope has made that is
heresy and explain why it is heresy"?
Sorry, but I haven't mentioned heresy. What people are condemning
are his actions, e.g. siding with a terrorist organization (Hamas).
To: 9thLife
The Most Slandered Man in any generation. LOL, Hyperbole much??
To: LouieFisk
So-—if the Rabbi says it that makes it truth?
Did the Pope tell the Rabbi that he intends to do that?
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posted on
05/17/2015 8:32:14 PM PDT
by
asyouwish
(Philippians 4:8)
To: ebb tide
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posted on
05/17/2015 8:32:14 PM PDT
by
asyouwish
(Philippians 4:8)
To: asyouwish
So-if the Rabbi says it that makes it truth?
Did the Pope tell the Rabbi that he intends to do that?
Would Francis lie to his buddy? I dunno.
Read the article.
"Sergio Bergman, a member of the Argentinian parliament and
close friend of Pope Francis, who claimed the pope intends to
define himself as the "Che Guevera of the Palestinians" and
support their "struggle and rights."
To: vladimir998; Tax-chick; icwhatudo
Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes.I seem to have missed the part where he endorsed their behavior.
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posted on
05/17/2015 9:28:15 PM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
To: LouieFisk
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posted on
05/17/2015 9:55:23 PM PDT
by
asyouwish
(Philippians 4:8)
To: smvoice
The Pope wont emerge as the Anti-Christ, hell be too busy emerging as the False Prophet..
Excellent point.
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posted on
05/17/2015 11:32:09 PM PDT
by
lewislynn
( Hillary = Obama in a pantsuit)
To: smvoice
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posted on
05/18/2015 2:45:12 AM PDT
by
SaveFerris
(Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
To: BipolarBob
LOL, Hyperbole much??Still using that "Word for the Day" calendar from the '80's?
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posted on
05/18/2015 3:16:51 AM PDT
by
9thLife
("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
To: Jeff Chandler
I’m with you. Meetings are fine if the action is to lead to repentance.
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posted on
05/18/2015 4:42:13 AM PDT
by
icwhatudo
(Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
To: Jeff Chandler
“I seem to have missed the part where he endorsed their behavior.”
And neither did Pope Francis endorse Abbas’ behavior. He encouraged him to be an angel of peace - which implies he isn’t one now.
To: lewislynn; smvoice
“Excellent point”
No, it is not.
Check out #2475 through 2485 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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“Prohibited by the eighth commandment also are calumny, detraction, insult...rash judgment...”
Bishop Charles Francis Buddy: “For Them Also”, pp.404,405.
Just because one can post under a screen name doesn’t keep his thoughts and words under a veil before God, before Whom we will have to account for every thought and spoken word/written word.
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posted on
05/18/2015 6:14:41 AM PDT
by
asyouwish
(Philippians 4:8)
To: vladimir998
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posted on
05/18/2015 7:13:17 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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