Shooting lasers from their eyes...
Posted on 05/01/2015 2:36:22 PM PDT by NYer
Heretic homosexuals?
Like the kind that infest the Catholic church and are priests, that the church won’t get rid of?
Catholics are the last ones who should be pointing any fingers about homosexuals considering its history.
LOL!!
Mrs Don-o: Whenever the Apostles were listed, Peter's name was at the top of the list
Iscool: Are you, like your church leadership a purveyor of false information???
Please do not automatically default into the accusatory mode (“false information”). You misconstrued what I said.
I said every the Apostles are listed, not every time any of them is mentioned. There are only four listings of the Twelve Apostles in the New Testament (Mark 3:13-19, Matthew 10:1-4, Luke 6:12-16, and Acts 1:13), and in every one of them, Peter is listed first.
Mrs Don-o: Peter spoke for the rest (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), This prominence is not the exception, but the rule.
Iscool: That certainly doesn't mean he spoke for anyone other than himself.
“Certainly”? On the contrary, in each of these three accounts by Matthew, Mark, and John, Jesus is explicitly asking the disciples (plural) what did they (plural) say, and when no other Apostle speaks up, Peter answers in all three accounts. They are evidently satisfied to let Peter speak for them, because nobody adds to or contradicts what Peter said. And each time it is THE key statement of faith: “You are the Messiah!” and “We (plural) have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
”Those disciples followed Jesus, not Peter...”
False dichotomy. Of course the disciples followed Jesus: they also followed the Apostles who followed Jesus; and they followed Peter,who followed Jesus, and whom Jesus had appointed Chief Shepherd, with a solemn, threefold commission.
”All this proves is Peter was faltering while Jesus was trying to get Peter to admit that he loved Jesus...”
“Trying to get him to admit”?? Fer cryin’ out loud… Peter came right out and SAID he loved Jesus, three times. Jesus asks “Do you love Me more than these?” More than these” implies a comparison. What Jesus is telling Peter, who loves Him “more than these”, is that He’s giving him the commission of Chief Shepherd, which he will assume in practice on earth after Jesus ascends into heaven.
"Obviously Jesus didn't have that problem with give the Head Shepherd ministry to the other disciples... As one can easily see, all the apostles and overseers were sanctioned to feed Jesus' sheep..."
...which they did with the guidance and confirmation of Peter, who was singled out and told to “confirm the brethren.” (Luke 22:32)
”None of the apostles strengthened the brethren more than the apostle Paul.”
Paul had unmatched prominence as a writer. He wrote 14 of the 27 books of the New Testament (if you count Hebrews), and the last half of Acts is all about him too.
Jesus never said that Peter, with his 2 short Epistles, would be a great writer. And so what? Jesus Himself didn’t write anything at all! All we can say of Peter is what Jesus said, that he is “Rock,” that he has the “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven,” that he was called out by name and given the explicit role of “confirming the brethren” and “feeding the sheep.”
Both Peter and Paul demonstrated the Lord’s approval spectacularly with miracles --- Peter even raising a girl from the dead --- and the people were so impressed that they wanted Paul to touch their handkerchief and aprons so they could take them back to the sick and obtain a healing; and people wanted just to get Peter’s shadow to fall on the sick, that they might be healed. Peter and Paul are co-workers, not rivals; both of them realize that the miracles come from Christ and not from their own power or piety.
Did any one praise Peter???
No. All of them, including Peter, realized that this miracle came from God.
Did anyone canonize Peter???
Category error. People aren’t canonized until they’re proclaimed to be in heaven. That’s what “canonization” means.
"...to Peter was sent an angel to proclaim Christ's rising from the dead (Mark 16:7) More disinformation...Why do you do that???"
Sorry, my mistake. That is an error (not “disinformation”, which implies dishonesty) -- and it comes from reading three different texts at the same time and mixing up my references.
Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalen. Then in Luke 23, Jesus appears to the men on the road to Emmaus. Then, when they run back to Jerusalem to deliver this amazing news, they “ found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, saying, “The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”
So Simon (Peter) was the first Apostle to whom Jesus appeared after His resurrection.
"...and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41) Really??? Since when is Peter a 'them'???"
Iscool, if you will kindly read the whole of Acts 2, you will see that what is quoted is Peter’s robust first street-preaching to the people of Jerusalem. It goes on to say,
“Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Then Peter said to them, (BTW, again speaking for “the rest of the apostles”), “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
"And with many other words he (singular, Peter)_ testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his (singular, Peter’s) word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them."
Of course they were not just added “to Peter,” they were added “to them,” Christ’s Church. For which Peter was, in chapter 2, the obvious principal spokesman.
"Peter inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11)? Peter may have been the first one to be revealed..."
Did you actually READ this, Iscool? The whole thing happens right in from to Peter’s face and in response to Peter’s words. It says “immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last.” At Peter’s feet.
I would like to amend what I said, however, to eliminate my word “inflicted” (above.) There is nothing here that says Peter killed them. It just says that they collapsed at Peter’s feet and breathed their last.
"Peter excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23)? Same thing..."
Same...Did you actually READ this, Iscool? There are only two people talking in Acts 8:14-24---- Simon Magus, and Peter. Peter tells Simon Magus, “You have neither part nor portion in this matter” because Simon Magus’ ”heart was “not right in the sight of the Lord.”
It couldn’t be any plainer than that. Simon Magus is to have 'no part' with them. What do you want: “Bell, Book and Candle”?
Mrs. Don-o: "Of all the Apostles who later participated in the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), it was Peter alone who received the miraculous message from Heaven that Gentiles were to be received into the Church (Acts 10:46-48).
Iscool: Probably because Peter was the hardest one to convince...
What I see on your part is a pattern of resenting, minimizing and “explaining away” all the great things Christ had done through Peter. Every marvel and sign is greeted by the equivalent of “Oh, that’s not so great.”
So here's my 1,200+ words. It went long because I had to quote so much from the last two volleys, for the questions to make sense. I'm nouned out and verbed out.
It's now 10:08 PM and I need to get ready for bed. I will get to your other questions if I get a chance.
God bless you. ZZZzzzzzz.....
Sorry, my mistake. That is an error (not “disinformation”, which implies dishonesty) -- and it comes from reading three different texts at the same time and mixing up my references.
Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalen. Then in Luke 23, Jesus appears to the men on the road to Emmaus. Then, when they run back to Jerusalem to deliver this amazing news, they “ found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, saying, “The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”
So Simon (Peter) was the first Apostle to whom Jesus appeared after His resurrection.
I'm glad you've corrected your error, but you've made this identical claim before and I had to correct you on it. I have a hard time buying the error part. Especially when I previously corrected you on an earlier thread on some of your "facts".
I've also had to correct your incorrect posting regarding Mary on more than one occasion. You either make a lot of mistakes or your are spreading false information. Not sure which, but you need to tighten up on your facts and presentation to avoid these "errors".
ping
Did you miss the post again?
Because not one of the Scriptures you cited makes that claim. The burden is on the catholic to show the scripture that says, “Mary is the mother of God”.
The Scriptures I cited state that Mary gave birth to and is the mother of a child who:
is the child of the Holy Ghost
shall save his people from their sins
they shall call Emmanuel, which means God with us
shall be called the Son of the Highest
shall be called the Son of God
Elisabeth called “the mother of my Lord”
is a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
is the Lord’s Christ
the wise men worshipped as the King of the Jews
All of these statements refer to the divinity of Jesus and clearly reveal the essential truth that Mary is the mother of God in the person of Jesus. The burden is to show how these verses do not reveal this essential truth.
This is not to say that Mary is the mother of all three persons of the Trinity. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But the Father is not the Son, nor is the Holy Spirit the Son. Mary was the mother of God only in the person of Jesus, the Son of God.
I have not seen anyone dispute Catholic teaching on Joseph. Catholics do have a high regard for St. Joseph, though. His feast day is March 19 and yesterday he was honored as St. Joseph the worker. In fact, a group of men in our parish put on a presentation of St. Joseph in his workshop, speaking to us about his life as the foster father of Jesus. It was very interesting.
I hope this doesn’t make your head explode, but there is actually a St. Joseph Rosary. The following prayer is substituted for the Hail Mary’s:
Joseph, son of David, and husband of Mary; we honor you, guardian of the Redeemer, and we adore the child you named Jesus.
Saint Joseph, patron of the universal church, pray for us, that like you we may live totally dedicated to the interests of the Savior. Amen.
I am off to bed for the night.
Peace
Oh good grief...another rosary??? Does the idolatry never end with catholicism??
“Certainly”? On the contrary, in each of these three accounts by Matthew, Mark, and John, Jesus is explicitly asking the disciples (plural) what did they (plural) say, and when no other Apostle speaks up, Peter answers in all three accounts. They are evidently satisfied to let Peter speak for them, because nobody adds to or contradicts what Peter said. And each time it is THE key statement of faith: “You are the Messiah!” and “We (plural) have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Naw...That just means Peter was the first person out of the gate...Slow to think but quick to answer...
And of course no one would contradict what Peter said...They believed it as well...And we don't know if anyone added to it since what Peter says apparently sufficient to be passed on to us...Jesus didn't record every word spoken...
False dichotomy. Of course the disciples followed Jesus: they also followed the Apostles who followed Jesus; and they followed Peter,who followed Jesus, and whom Jesus had appointed Chief Shepherd, with a solemn, threefold commission.
Now there you go again...There was no chief shepherd...Peter however was a shepherd...One of twelve...He was a shepherd to the Jewish nation...Which pretty much ceased to exist for all practical purposes...So Peter's ministry (and the position of successive popes, in the Catholic version) clearly were/was short lived...
It is Paul who was made the (human) head of the Gentile church...A student of the bible can't possibly deny that...Yet no one speaks of apostle Paul succession of bishops...
All popes in the Catholic list of popes could not have had anything to do with the Gentile church, which is what we are...They were successors of Peter who was sent to Israel...
“Trying to get him to admit”?? Fer cryin’ out loud… Peter came right out and SAID he loved Jesus, three times. Jesus asks “Do you love Me more than these?” More than these” implies a comparison. What Jesus is telling Peter, who loves Him “more than these”, is that He’s giving him the commission of Chief Shepherd, which he will assume in practice on earth after Jesus ascends into heaven.
Not fer crying out loud at all...
Joh 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these?
Jesus ask Peter if Peter loved him...
ἀγαπάω
agapaō
ag-ap-ah'-o
Perhaps from ἄγαν agan (much; or compare [H5689]); to love (in a social or moral sense): - (be-) love (-ed). Compare G5368.
You can see what Jesus was really asking...But here is Peter's answer...
He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
Now here's the 'love' Peter answered with...
φιλέω
phileō
fil-eh'-o
From G5384; to be a friend to (fond of [an individual or an object]), that is, have affection for (denoting personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling; while G25 is wider, embracing especially the judgment and the deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty and propriety: the two thus stand related very much as G2309 and G1014, or as G2372 and G3563 respectively; the former being chiefly of the heart and the latter of the head); specifically to kiss (as a mark of tenderness): - kiss, love
Jesus ask Peter if Peter loved him...Peter says, 'sure Jesus, I am a friend of yours...
Obviously frustated, Jesus ask him the identical question in the next verse...Peter answered the same way...
And finally in the 3 verse Jesus gave up and ask Peter, 'Peter, am I a friend of yours...And Peter responds, 'Yes Jesus, I am a friend of yours...
Now you know why Peter was asked 3 times...
"Obviously Jesus didn't have that problem with give the Head Shepherd ministry to the other disciples... As one can easily see, all the apostles and overseers were sanctioned to feed Jesus' sheep..."
...which they did with the guidance and confirmation of Peter, who was singled out and told to “confirm the brethren.” (Luke 22:32)
Well, Peter was told to strengthen the brethren...
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
And what brethren was Peter told to strengthen??? The Jewish brethren...
I’m very sorry to hear that. She was a cutie, from her pix and your descriptions. How did the others take it ... in the goat family?
On what day do we read that God declared that He had begotten His Son?
**The Scriptures I cited state that Mary gave birth to and is the mother of a child who:
is the child of the Holy Ghost
shall save his people from their sins
they shall call Emmanuel, which means God with us
shall be called the Son of the Highest
shall be called the Son of God
Elisabeth called “the mother of my Lord”
is a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
is the Lord’s Christ
the wise men worshipped as the King of the Jews
All of these statements refer to..**
..the FACT that those statements prove the Son’s testamony to Philip and the rest of the disciples: “Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been SO LONG WITH YOU, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me HATH seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou NOT that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me? the words I speak unto you I speak NOT of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME, HE doeth the works.” Jn 14:8-10
The power is sourced back to the Father. Mary made no divinity whatsoever.
**Elisabeth called “the mother of my Lord”**
The Son was made Lord, but not by Mary. Peter (the original subject of this thread) said that God hath made that same Jesus both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).
It's something like that...
People who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glass.
Whut wuz so phunny?
MATTHEW 2:1-3
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."
When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
“I wonder where Ellie Mae wandered off to?
What’s for lunch?”
Shooting lasers from their eyes...
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