Posted on 04/09/2015 9:34:44 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
A New York Times columnist and a corporate leader have agreed that Christian churches “must” be convinced, or coerced, to change their teachings on sexual morality and abandon an “ossified” doctrinal teaching that sex outside heterosexual marriage is immoral.
Frank Bruni wrote that traditional Christianity – whether among evangelicals, Catholics, or Orthodox – provides the greatest resistance to normalizing homosexuality in the United States in a recent column in the New York Times.
“Homosexuality and Christianity don’t have to be in conflict in any church anywhere,” Bruni insisted. “The continued view of gays, lesbians and bisexuals as sinners is a decision. It’s a choice. It prioritizes scattered passages of ancient texts over all that has been learned since — as if time had stood still, as if the advances of science and knowledge meant nothing.”
Bruni quoted furniture tycoon Mitchell Gold, who has used his millions to found a liberal pressure group Faith in America, writing that Gold believes Christian churches “must be made 'to take homosexuality off the sin list.'”
“His commandment is worthy — and warranted,” Bruni added.
The column sparked outrage at the notion that a successful businessman and an op-ed writer could induce the Christian Church to ignore a 2,000-year-old dogma.
Noting Bruni's column at The American Conservative, Rod Dreher wrote that he would find a conservative columnist lecturing liberal denominations that they “must” change their moral theology equally “appalling” as an act of imposition.
“But of course nobody on that side seems to have the slightest doubt about their cause, their motives, or their methods. None,” he wrote. “In a holy war, there is no room for doubt.”
A number of mainline Protestant churches have, in effect, taken Gold's advice, condoning – if not celebrating – homosexuality and allowing sexually active homosexuals to be ordained as pastors.
The Episcopal Church saw its membership decline by half-a-million people between 2002 and 2012. After changing its views of homosexuals, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) lost more than 600,000 people – in excess of 12 percent of its total members – in just three years. The first mainline church to allow for homosexual ordination, the United Church of Christ (UCC), lost 350 congregations within three years of its 2004 decision.
But even refraining from calling same-sex relations a sin – or, in the words of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, “intrinsically disordered” – is not enough for the modern LGBT movement.
“The LGBT militants are not asking to be left alone,” said former Reagan administration adviser Pat Buchanan, a co-founder of The American Conservative. “They are demanding that we accept the morality of homosexuality and same-sex marriages, and manifest that acceptance, under pain of law and sanctions, in our daily lives.”
Buchanan said during an interview with WND.com that orthodox Christian churches must have one response to demands that they alter their teachings to fit the modern zeitgeist: “The answer is no. If it comes to civil disobedience, so be it.”
Buchanan's statement came as a number of prominent evangelical Christian leaders have called for open acts of nonviolent resistance if the Supreme Court forces states to accept homosexual “marriages” this summer.
No they don't.....this is an Alinsky tactic...masked as a social issue (homosexuality) when it's a control issue to remake this country to a socialist nation. Using social issues is the path they use.
What these people need to hear over and over again and again is.." Religious freedom is explicitly protected in the Constitution.... Homosexual rights are not." And it needs to be pounded out there.
When the LGBTs prayed to God to affirm homosexuality, the church did not respond, so then the LGBTs prayed to comrade obama...
Gramsci. Pure and simple
These loony homos need to lighten up.
...”no outrage by liberals”...
Of course not...they will only speak out when it’s political enough to move their agenda. They really have no concerns about social issues or what people engage or refrain from. They are not wired to be concerned for people...they are wired to use them and social issues to move their agenda......which is to make this nation a socialist nation.
Islam, Homosexuality, Abortion and all similar are simply “useful” for political advantage and nothing more.
Dear Mr. Bruni,
GO TO HELL!
Quite sincerely, ‘Pod.
Oh no, you don’t understand. The Bible isn’t changing, it’s the interpretation of the Bible that must be changed. And because some denominations have done so, they all must.
I have been having an ongoing discussion on Facebook with a former co-worker about this. I keep telling him that this is a discussion about freedom. But he insists it is about loving and being nice to people. He also insisted that homosexual would never decline making a cake for anyone, they would just take the money and do it. Until I posted the link to the story about the 13 different “gay bakeries” that wouldn’t make a pro-traditional marriage cake. He then unfriended me. Very open-minded and tolerant, don’t you think?
I would suggest that Frank shove it, but I don’t think it’s any great secret that he would probably enjoy it.
Most every culture from the start has dealt harshly with homos too.
AIDS wiped out a lot of them.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/
Gays make up 2% of the population but 78% of HIV infections among all newly infected men.
I guess the Christian churches can do whatever they want. It is none of the government’s damn business. They will answer to God, and I wouldn’t want to be some of them.
The real question is what should Muslim mosques be forced to do. Should they be forced to welcome homosexuality? This anti Christian nonsense from sexual perverts shouldn’t be tolerated. They’ve been allowed to corrupt the meaning and purpose of marriage, so now they want to force everyone to corrupt their faith. They are a selfish, obnoxious bunch of noisy filth.
Any sex outside of marriage is a Sin. People that are not Fags are not insisting we change that, its common knowledge. Let them do what they want to and we will in turn do what we must, Its a Abomination.
I suspect any church that does this gets added to His list of the ones to be vomited out....
They’re going to reopen the catacombs.
And throw what’s left of the first amendment under the bus.
Christians will be emigrating to Russia if they want to practice their religion.
Did Frank Brunie die for the sins of the world? Did he rise again from the dead?
He can advise us on morality when he has done so.
Homosexual behavior is an obvious mental disorder such as sex with animals. No religious context is needed.
Any rational adult or even teenager knows that.
“A lot of traditional folks don’t like the homosexual lifestyle, socalled, but are willing to let them alone...let them live as they wish at home.”
Tolerating it is not enough. You MUST like it, embrace it, celebrate it, try it, convert your kids to it, and you definitely have to march in their parades - nothing less is acceptable.
Well, I’m not surprised this call has gone out. Remember 10 or 15 years ago when we got all those greasy assurances that the gay agenda would never interfere with religious organizations or beliefs? Yeah, me too.
The goalposts keep getting moved in this game, and nothing short of total acceptance of every aspect of gay activism, and the total undoing of any group or belief that conflicts with said activism.
I’m only half-joking when I wonder aloud how long it will be considered bigoted or “hetero-normative” if I turn down a date with a transgender because I only want to date biologically female women?
The word Freedom many homonazis use in support of their lifestyle only applies to them.
He probably doesn’t know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah either.
Trying to force something so foreign would be a declaration of war on Christianity.
[[I have wondered if the Christian church in the west has become soft and anemic because we have not been persecuted all that much.]]
No we have become soft because the pews now have seat cushions in them
[[We have not been required to sacrifice much to follow Jesus.]]
I disagree- We get ridiculed, bullied, threatened, ostracized, yelled at, screamed at, spat at, swore at-
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