Posted on 04/09/2015 8:22:13 AM PDT by Salvation
There is a huge amount of good that can be accomplished for souls through intercessory prayer, and expiatory suffering suffering. You don't believe that, it's your choice.
Where's the charity, the love for our neighbor, that Christ told us was the second greatest commandment?
That is just my opinion based on the evidence I have seen from them over the years.
Proverbs 16:18
Our Lord said in so many words that before they attacked us they attacked Him. So, let us take it as a badge of honor.
You say that right after I called you out for having effectively put words into anothers mouth, and now you all but call myself a liar.
Keep those fighting words --- to yourself.
That's not the Gospel.
There will be suffering, that is assured.
But not all suffering is from God, or desired by Him that people should suffer.
Quite the opposite, although He scourges every one son whom He receives Hebrews 12:6 as it is written.
Hello!!! That is exactly my point. That what I was saying, and it's not even a matter of making myself do it. It's the natural outflowing of the work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. There are those to whom Jesus will say *when you did it to the least of those His brothers, you did it to Me*, and they'll wonder when they did that.
It's those who brag on their works or appeal to them who don't make it.
For God's sake, I am so sick and tired of the "love your neighbor as yourself" being left out of the equation, and people deciding who is saved and who is not, as if they were God, and either Bible thumping or gloating at other people they think are not saved, or born again, or whatever.
Who's leaving it out of the equation and how?
And as far as deciding who is and who is not saved, that goes both ways. There are plenty of Catholics on this board who do that very thing to non-Catholics, supported by the CCC.
Don't forget to include them.
I don't know of any non-Catholic denomination who has it in their statement of faith that you have to be one of them do be saved or part of their church and yet the Catholic church in its own CCC states and I quote "Outside the Church there is no salvation"
Where's the charity, the love for our neighbor, that Christ told us was the second greatest commandment?
Telling someone the truth is the greatest love that a person can show another. Especially is you see that person on a road that Scripture indicates leads to hell.
Why thank you!
Best observation about me in a long time!!
Galatians 5:12
FOTFLOL!!!!
You might consider taking your own advice.
Lets see The root word of protestant is protest and a protester is an agitator... So yeah we are in agreement. Have at it.
Have I boasted? When? What I do is my business. I have to account for myself. I am also not responsible for the politicians in your recent post. Nor am I responsible for the Italian stereotype. My family was not wealthy, nor influential, nor criminal, thank you.
And as far as deciding who is and who is not saved, that goes both ways. There are plenty of Catholics on this board who do that very thing to non-Catholics, supported by the CCC.
The Second Vatican Council speaks of salvation outside the Church in Lumen Gentium, nos. 14 and 16. Here are the pertinent sections from those two articles: 14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. [. . .] 16. [. . .] Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.
Telling someone the truth is the greatest love that a person can show another. Especially is you see that person on a road that Scripture indicates leads to hell.
Well-intentioned? That's between the posters and God. Some may genuinely care, and some genuinely interested in discussion; some come across as being pompous, self-aggrandizing and even gloating. Again, that's between them and God: I'm responsible for what I post.
You don't say?
Then here is a chance for those who feel they are doing a good thing for us Catholics. Get together and preach the Truth here:
Silent protest, boycott greet Wiccan priestess at Iowa House
Wiccan Priestess Delivers Prayer for Iowa House
Lord knows your posts and your talent for Scripture are needed there. And I'm not being sarcastic.
If the sorts of things we have been seeing happen in this country within the last year or two don’t convince someone that we are in the end times, then I don’t know what it will take.
The stage is being set by God. Unfortunately, the generation that sees the end will be the ones to see it being set up and grieve over it, but what must be will happen.
It’s God’s timetable, not ours.
All we can do is warn people, like Johan, to repent and flee the wrath to come, and hope that they will.
Anyone who is not right with God ought to take it upon themselves to remedy that ASAP. God that when we seek Him, we will find Him when we seek Him with our whole heart.
But honestly, if you look under the Religion heading here on FR, wicca is listed. They will read what is written even if they don't reply. I'm not picking on you, Mom, nor even any of your ping list, whatever differences we have: we are advised of worshipping Mary, despite repeated statements the she is not God. These people pray to people who have not known, or have rejected The One True God! I know intercessory prayer is frowned upon and expiatory suffering regarded as untruth by some noon Catholics in these forums. If you will not do that, and it is your choice, them can you not get your ping list and post? I may not agree with all you say, but the strong, no-holds-barred approach seen here, with the knowledge of Scripture would make you all formidable opponents. As has been said by the ping list, souls are at stake! You all have plenty to say about what you believe: it's needed there, as well- or more! You said that you can warn people, then there are two FReeper threads in which you all can do a great amount of good!
I don't know of ANY Christians who do not believe in intercessory prayer.
We are commanded to pray for one another and there's always the need to pray for souls to be reached for Christ.
The expiatory suffering is another matter. But Jesus promises that when we pray the Father hears and answers and that is enough for us to come boldly to the throne of grace. I don't see that anything is needed nor is there anything that we can do to move our Father's heart more than just asking.
We can maybe feel like suffering shows Him the sincerity of our desire for the request, but all He asks of us is to come to Him with our requests. That simple.
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