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LDS Book of Mormon Violence [Mormon Jesus' cross accompanies mass destruction, death]
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Posted on 04/03/2015 6:39:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
Is the Book of Mormon too violent for children?
Graphic Murder and Torture
Moroni 9:8
8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.
Bodily Mutilation and Killing by Jesus's Hero, Ammon
Alma 17:
38 Now six of them had fallen by the sling, but he slew none save it were their leader with his sword; and he smote off as many of their arms as were lifted against him, and they were not a few.
Alma 18:16-17
16 And it came to pass that Ammon, being filled with the Spirit of God, therefore he perceived the thoughts of the king. And he said unto him: Is it because thou hast heard that I defended thy servants and thy flocks, and slew seven of their brethren with the sling and with the sword, and smote off the arms of others, in order to defend thy flocks and thy servants; behold, is it this that causeth thy marvelings? I say unto you, what is it, that thy marvelings are so great? Behold, I am a man, and am thy servant; therefore, whatsoever thou desirest which is right, that will I do.
Murders by Javelin
Alma 51:
34 And it came to pass that Teancum stole privily into the tent of the king, and put a javelin to his heart; and he did cause the death of the king immediately that he did not awake his servants.
Alma 62:
36 And it came to pass that Teancum in his anger did go forth into the camp of the Lamanites, and did let himself down over the walls of the city. And he went forth with a cord, from place to place, insomuch that he did find the king; and he did cast a javelin at him, which did pierce him near the heart. But behold, the king did awaken his servants before he died, insomuch that they did pursue Teancum, and slew him.
Jesus Promises Rotting Corpses Will Be Devoured by Animals
Mosiah 12:2
2 Yea, wo be unto this generation! And the Lord said unto me: Stretch forth thy hand and prophesy, saying: Thus saith the Lord, it shall come to pass that this generation, because of their iniquities, shall be brought into bondage, and shall be smitten on the cheek; yea, and shall be driven by men, and shall be slain; and the vultures of the air, and the dogs, yea, and the wild beasts, shall devour their flesh.
Vengeful Massacre by Jesus's Hero, Moroni
Alma 62:
25 And now when Moroni saw that they were fleeing before him, he did cause that his men should march forth against them, and slew many, and surrounded many others, and took them prisoners; and the remainder of them fled into the land of Moroni, which was in the borders by the seashore.
Bodily Remains of Murdered Women and Children Discarded in Sea
Alma 3:2-3
Now many women and children had been slain with the sword, and also many of their flocks and their herds; and also many of their fields of grain were destroyed, for they were trodden down by the hosts of men. And now as many of the Lamanites and the Amlicites who had been slain upon the bank of the river Sidon were cast into the waters of Sidon; and behold their bones are in the depths of the sea, and they are many.
Jesus's Hero, Moroni, Butchers Four Thousand "Dissenters"
Alma 51:18-19
And it came to pass that the armies did march forth against them; and they did pull down their pride and their nobility, insomuch that as they did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni they were hewn down and leveled to the earth. And it came to pass that there were four thousand of those dissenters who were hewn down by the sword...
Brutal Killing of Men, Women and Children by Jesus
3 Nephi 8 14-17:
And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate. And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain. And there were some who were carried away in the whirlwind; and whither they went no man knoweth, save they know that they were carried away. And thus the face of the whole earth became deformed, because of the tempests, and the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the quaking of the earth.
Rape and Torture Followed by Cannibalism
Moroni 9:9-10:
And notwithstanding this great aabomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.
Righteous Spared Jesus' Graphic Cruelty
3 Nephi 10:
13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.
Jesus Directs Hero, Nephi, to Decapitate a Defenseless Drunk
1 Nephi 4:
18 Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own sword.
Massacres of Women and Children
Ether 14:
17 Now the name of the brother of Lib was called Shiz. And it came to pass that Shiz pursued after Coriantumr, and he did overthrow many cities, and he did slay both women and children, and he did burn the cities.
Jesus Describes His Burning of the Wicked
3 Nephi 25:1-3
For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name, shall the Son of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves in the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Horrific Burning Alive of Women and Children According to Jesus's Will
Alma 14: 8-13
And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be cast into the fire... And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of martyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire. And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames. But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand... Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also. And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.
Graphic Decapitation and Death
Ether 15:29-31
And it came to pass that when they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz. And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
Disturbing Public Decapitation Murder
Ether 9:
5 And it came to pass that Akish sought the life of his father-in-law; and he applied unto those whom he had sworn by the boath of the ancients, and they obtained the head of his father-in-law, as he sat upon his throne, giving audience to his people.
The Righteous Resort to Scalping Alive as an Object Lesson
Alma 44: 12-14
...one of Moronis soldiers... smote Zerahemnah that he took off his scalp and it fell to the earth. And Zerahemnah withdrew from before them into the midst of his soldiers. And it came to pass that the soldier who stood by, who smote off the scalp of Zerahemnah, took up the scalp from off the ground by the hair, and laid it upon the point of his sword, and stretched it forth unto them, saying unto them with a loud voice: Even as this scalp has fallen to the earth, which is the scalp of your chief, so shall ye fall to the earth except ye will deliver up your weapons of war and depart with a covenant of peace.
Jesus Boasting About His Violent Killing and Destruction
3 Nephi 9:3-15
Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof... And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth; Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof... And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried (alive) up in the depths of the earth... And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire... I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face... And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof... I did send down fire and destroy them... And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people... Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
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To: PapaBear3625
I was just wondering if you would grace the Jewish threads with your presence as well. Didn't I answer this?
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posted on
04/06/2015 11:44:23 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: StormPrepper
I can't speak for the Church or anyone other than myself. We do use the Joseph Smith translation of Matthew as reference material when necessary. And it is considered scripture. Oh?
I'd sure like to see the official DOCUMENTATION on this!
I've been telling LIES otherwise.
You surely do not want me to continue this; do you?
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posted on
04/06/2015 11:45:50 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: StormPrepper
I'd sure like to see the official DOCUMENTATION on this!Yeah. And while you are at it; can you show us just where SLC has denounced those words you are going to share with your Sunday School class??
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posted on
04/06/2015 11:47:35 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Didn't I answer this? You tell me. I've taken a look at your posting history. It seems like all you do on FR is bash Mormons, and to a lesser extent Catholics. You do hardly any commenting on other topics.
Do you think what you're doing advances Conservatism much? I don't. You think conservative Catholics (I'm one) like seeing your anti-Catholic diatribes? If somebody wanted to send a troll into FR to disrupt unity among conservatives, one technique would be to pretend to be a Christian Conservative and sow dissension.
64
posted on
04/06/2015 12:18:54 PM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: PapaBear3625
You do hardly any commenting on other topics. So?
Is there a requirement by Jim to be well-rounded here?
65
posted on
04/06/2015 12:28:49 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: PapaBear3625
Do you think what you're doing advances Conservatism much? I don't. I really don't care what you think.
You go play politics all you want; I'm not stopping you.
I'm not complaining about the way you do it.
I'm not trying to argue you or others out of, or into, a particular political science view point.
WHY are you so obsessed with ME?
66
posted on
04/06/2015 12:31:45 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: PapaBear3625
If somebody wanted to send a troll into FR to disrupt unity among conservatives, one technique would be to pretend to be a Christian Conservative and sow dissension. If SLC wanted to send a troll into FR to help out the poor, beset upon Mormons, one technique would be to pretend to be a Christian and claim OBSESSION!!! with the burr under the saddle.
67
posted on
04/06/2015 12:34:16 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I'd sure like to see the official DOCUMENTATION on this!
I've been telling LIES otherwise.
You surely do not want me to continue this; do you?
No, we don't want you to telling anymore lies. So go look it up at the same place I told you to look the last time you brought the up.
To: PapaBear3625; StormPrepper
You think conservative Catholics (I'm one) like seeing your anti-Catholic diatribes? How about the anti-Mormonism ones?
You DO know what they think about you and your kind; right??
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
Storm prepper has been asked to show us where this attitude has been officially denounced.
Perhaps you two can have a Kum-by-ah moment afterwards.
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posted on
04/06/2015 12:37:40 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
How about the anti-Mormonism ones? You DO know what they think about you and your kind; right?? Yep, I know. I also know what the Talmud has to say about Christians. But guess what? They don't post it HERE.
As long as the person supports liberty, lower taxes, and individual rights, and doesn't go out of his way to bash my religion, I have a "live and let live" attitude.
70
posted on
04/06/2015 2:38:09 PM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: Elsie; PapaBear3625
You DO know what they think about you and your kind; right??
Notice the non-Catholic, non-Mormon trying to pit us against each other?
Just the kind of thing Lucifer would approve of.
To: StormPrepper; Elsie
Else’s been doing her thing on FR since 1998. I’m going to assume JimRob knows and has no problem with it, so the best thing is to ignore her.
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posted on
04/06/2015 3:28:09 PM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: PapaBear3625
FYI, Elsie’s a man who goes by the name L.C..
To: StormPrepper
Are you implying that Elsie is posting in drag?
74
posted on
04/06/2015 5:30:02 PM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: StormPrepper
So go look it up at the same place I told you to look the last time you brought the up.Oh what I could do with THIS line!!
LOL!!!
(No, Lurkers; he did NOT say where to find it last time.)
Some Church of Latter-day Saints members have had enough and have taken action against Sen. Harry Reid,
who they believe has been acting less and less in line with the LDS belief system that he claims.
Ain't it amazing, now that ol' Dingy is NOT gonna be in a position of POWER, how the hoipolloi will turn and rend him?
http://conservativetribune.com/mormons-bad-news-harry-reid/
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posted on
04/07/2015 6:08:28 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: PapaBear3625
As long as the person supports liberty, lower taxes, and individual rights, and doesn't go out of his way to bash my religion, I have a "live and let live" attitude.
HMMMmmm...
Sure wouldn't want any of THAT going on!!
We were in your neighborhood, and wondered...
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- Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
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posted on
04/07/2015 6:15:23 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: PapaBear3625
As long as the person supports liberty, lower taxes, and individual rights, and doesn't go out of his way to bash my religion, I have a "live and let live" attitude. I'll have to assume (I know) that you consider Mormonism to be as valid as your religion.
77
posted on
04/07/2015 6:17:59 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: StormPrepper
<>Notice the non-Catholic, non-Mormon trying to pit us against each other?
Just the kind of thing Lucifer would approve of.
I see SP is still avoiding the elephant in the room.
Such a shame; as he seems to be quite zealous for his chosen religion.
78
posted on
04/07/2015 6:19:13 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: PapaBear3625
Are you implying that Elsie is posting in drag? It's an udder possibility!
79
posted on
04/07/2015 6:23:08 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I'll have to assume (I know) that you consider Mormonism to be as valid as your religion. False assumption. I just consider it boorish to go out of your way to attack other people's religions, except when excessive numbers of that religion's clerics actively and currently promote violence against members of other religions (eg, Islam).
I don't consider Buddhism or Hinduism to be valid, but I will not be so rude as to actively denigrate their believers.
"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh" -- Robert Heinlein
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posted on
04/07/2015 6:51:53 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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