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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: Sola Fide (saved by faith alone), Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). (See the Protestant logo to the right.) Generally, one ought to be suspicious and careful of claims that things work “alone.” It is our usual experience that many things work together in harmony, that things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything “alone.”

The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our minds, where it is possible to separate things out. But the fact is, just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can separate it out in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light. But in reality, I could never take a knife and put the heat over on one side and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable, so together as to be one.

I would like to argue respectfully that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality they are one. Attempts to separate them from what they belong to, lead to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a (geeky) theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide). For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid a caricature of the other’s positions. Catholics do not and never have taught that we were saved by works. For heaven’s sake we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think they do.

But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “Faith alone” implies. So let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant! But, oops, that’s a Catholic thing, since most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that we can separate from works only in our minds, but not in reality. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, it seems we cannot remain unchanged by entering into that relationship with him. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works,” it’s just that we cannot easily observe them.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstractionFaith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not really faith at all since faith does not exist by itself, but is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone, but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo  “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia). As for grace alone, this too is a puzzle, since grace by its very nature changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. Grace cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) - Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”! This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture. There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.

Second, until recently most people could not read. Given this, it seems kind of strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence Scripture was not a read text per se, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately. Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope!  Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s body and blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence, Scriptures are not to be read alone. They are a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage says, The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself.  Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it. Further, faith is not alone but works through love. And grace is not alone but builds on nature.

Thus the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined, we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind (but in reality cannot be found alone).

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: FourtySeven
I wonder how long Msgr Pope would last on FR, or any Internet forum really. It seems as though those who give apologetics to any faith, Catholicism included, on the Internet, are demanded a level of precision that in the real world, the world of polite conversation and verbal communication, is not required.

He'd probably get zotted. Not for having inprecise language, but for calling for a welfare state and telling Freepers to give up their 2nd amendment rights.

81 posted on 01/16/2015 3:10:01 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Iscool

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>> “Chapter 2 tells us how it used to be and chapter 3 tells us how it now is.” <<

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Absolute nonsense!

There is no contradiction, there is complete union.

The contradiction is in the mind of the Godless man, trying to build salvation out of humanist rejection of the things of God.


82 posted on 01/16/2015 3:13:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; .45 Long Colt
We are saved as a result of the faith that is propelled by God’s grace. That faith’s action within us is to produce the works that Yeshua has demanded of us, and which he and his apostles assure us are always present if the faith is real.

Well then this is purely orthodox, if I am understanding it correctly, and represents no contradiction to anything I wrote, and I disagree with nothing in it. Neither would Long Colt. We all agree that good works is the fruit of living faith. Yet you still disagreed with what I wrote and were arguing with him (I did not look at the larger exchange between you and him, however)? Instead of just responding as you have done, be specific. Quote what I wrote and what you have a problem with, otherwise it would lead me to believe that you are not as orthodox as you seem to be.

83 posted on 01/16/2015 3:17:06 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CynicalBear

“That would destroy Catholicism.”

And every one who hates Catholicism would raise a big cheer. And still persist in calling themselves Christians... Until the various interpreters began to argue amongst themselves. I wonder which belief would be the object of hatred then?


84 posted on 01/16/2015 3:37:05 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Grateful2God
>>And every one who hates Catholicism would raise a big cheer.<<

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

>>And still persist in calling themselves Christians...<<

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

We follow what the apostles teach. Catholics teach things the apostles didn't and we are told by Paul to consider them accursed.

85 posted on 01/16/2015 3:55:56 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Alex Murphy; All
Rules of Engagement For Catholics On The Internet
Constructive post! Well worth the read! The responses were impressive, as well. Where is the one for other posters? And please don't say there is no need...

86 posted on 01/16/2015 3:56:02 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: defconw; Salvation
"This should prove interesting. Thanks!"

It would be if those who vehemently hate Catholicism would form their own Catholic-Bashing Caucus. We could discuss civilly with our other non-Catholic Christan brethren who actually would like to dialogue... I'd like to hear their point of view. Even though we may disagree, we could still speak to one another as polite adults!

87 posted on 01/16/2015 4:16:37 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Salvation
John also wrote this:

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Yet the Catholic church claims other things are necessary for salvation, that aren't included in John's Gospel. Don't Catholics believe John?

88 posted on 01/16/2015 4:24:06 PM PST by xone
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To: Salvation
“You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “’This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’” Matthew 15:7-9

I understand that you might be upset by the article. But that does not make me or other Catholics hypocrites.

LOL. must be part of the Bible that isn't read at Mass. That was hilarious and sad at the same time.

89 posted on 01/16/2015 4:26:30 PM PST by xone
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To: Grateful2God
Rules of Engagement For Catholics On The Internet
Constructive post! Well worth the read! The responses were impressive, as well. Where is the one for other posters? And please don't say there is no need...

LOL why would I say that?

Toward a Theological Ethic for Internet Discourse
What You Get Is What You See

90 posted on 01/16/2015 4:47:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; editor-surveyor

Well then this is purely orthodox, if I am understanding it correctly, and represents no contradiction to anything I wrote, and I disagree with nothing in it. Neither would Long Colt.

Exactly. Long Colt agrees.


91 posted on 01/16/2015 4:52:28 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: unlearner

No, it was his statement “You hypocrites.”

How can he judge? How can he mind read?


92 posted on 01/16/2015 6:05:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: what's up
Not what the Bible says.

Remember Luther added the word "alone" to the word "faith" in verses.

"Not every one that saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of My Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 7:21

"But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God. Who will render to every man according to his works. To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation." Romans 2:5-8

"For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil." 2 Corinthians 5:10

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:15

"You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace. For we in spirit, by faith, wait for the hope of justice. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity." Galatians 5:4-6

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; Not of works, that no man may glory. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:8-10

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation. For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to His good will." Philippians 2:12-13

"Knowing that you shall receive of the Lord the reward of inheritance. Serve ye the Lord Christ. For he that doth wrong, shall receive for that which he hath done wrongfully: and there is no respect of persons with God." Colossians 3:24-25

"What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?" James 2:14

"So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself." James 2:17

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20

"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" James 2:24

"For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26

"And if you invoke as Father Him who, without respect of persons, judgeth according to every one's work: converse in fear during the time of your sojourning here." 1 Peter 1:17

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works." Apocalypse 20:12-13

"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16


93 posted on 01/16/2015 6:10:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
All true. But as I said concerning the scripture from James the works must be from a renewed heart.

Consider...both Saul and David did good and bad. But David's works came from a heart renewed by God. That is the difference.

Works done according to the will of God come from a heart of faith.

94 posted on 01/16/2015 6:19:17 PM PST by what's up
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s the Gospel.


95 posted on 01/16/2015 8:35:20 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Salvation; NYer

I guess I haven’t had the separatedness of being raised as a Christian that Msgr Pope sees.

1. I’ve thought about faith vs works and decided that they are linked, we get our salvation from our belief in and acceptance of Jesus as our Savior, we fulfill that faith by how we live our lives and what we do, which ends up being works, but the two are linked.

2. Grace: I’m not really understanding him here. I see our salvation as a Grace from God alone and His gift to us. But it is also because we seek it in accepting His Son’s message.

3. Scripture alone: reading a Bible without a dictionary or accompanying commentary, either written or from another believer makes getting a full understanding quite difficult. the ‘sola scriptura’ is based from a society that was already centered and steeped in Christianity, thus a basis was formed that gave amplification to God’s word. to pick up a bible with NO knowledge of Christianity may lead to accepting Jesus’s message of salvation, but it will be more difficult than for one of us today and may even be impossible without God’s intervention for understanding with that person. Thus I partly disagree with Msgr Pope on this, but also disagree with those who say that one ONLY needs scripture without any other writings or input on it.

Once again, Msgr Pope has provided a good meditation piece and is fulfilling his mission as a priest of sharing God’s word with all of us who have been lead to Him by His Son.


96 posted on 01/17/2015 6:33:49 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: DannyTN; Arkansas Toothpick

See my post #96


97 posted on 01/17/2015 6:39:23 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Grateful2God

In the light of ‘civil dialogue’ See my post # 96, :-)


98 posted on 01/17/2015 6:43:19 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar; Salvation; NYer; DannyTN; Arkansas Toothpick; Grateful2God

Let me expand on part of what I posted “...being raised as a Christian....”

I was raised and am a Protestant, member of “Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)” denomination. One of the concepts I was taught was the unity of all Christians under Jesus, whether they be Protestant or Catholic (no matter which individual denomination or rite). I believe that we, as followers of Jesus, should seek what unites us in our believe and gift of salvation and NOT the differences we have.

Oh, yes, I spent my undergraduate years attending and graduating from a Catholic men’s college and also taught in a Catholic elementary school.


99 posted on 01/17/2015 6:52:07 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

I think the arguments against Sola Scripture tend to be warped. Because really those that rely on Scripture are saying that the apostles and the prophets have the highest authority. Everything gets compared to that.

It’s not that we need nothing else. But that which contradicts scripture is not to be trusted.


100 posted on 01/17/2015 8:32:04 AM PST by DannyTN
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