Posted on 01/08/2015 5:33:17 AM PST by Gamecock
WOW! How sad.
Sometimes. And over the course of ones walk some sin is brought under control. But even one sin is enough for condemnation.
Romans 7:18 For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
Reveling in temptation does not bring me happiness.
There are others who would not answer the same.
Again, I really mean this as an honest question.
For my part, assuming I am trying to live my life in a Christlike manner, I don’t believe I have any place in judging whether God decides to cut others some slack.
Note that by living in a Christlike manner I include calling out evil where I see it, which is IMHO what this thread is about.
I tire of these stupid concern posts with people asking "why are you posting against Mormonism?" These threads get posted for the same reason people post all sorts of things-- to teach, to inform, to whatever.
Don't like it? Don't read the thread!
Because we teach it is impossible-- since those who have been regenerated perform good works also, "for it is God who works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Php 2:13). It is the fruit of salvation, an evidence of a new creation, and thus can only be avoided by those who are false converts.
That seems to be the cause of a great deal of angst among religious types. That someone might just be able to get away with sin that they can't.
So they want to put everyone under the bondage they are under with the laundry list of do's and don't's and then we can all compare ourselves with ourselves and feel good about our failures because, after all, if that guy over then can do it and still be saved, so can I.
Phew......
It reminds me of a two year old whining *It's not FAAAIIIRRRR*......
He can do what he wants and still be saved and I can't cause my church tells me I can't be saved if I do it.
Totally wrong prespective.
**That seems to be the cause of a great deal of angst among religious types.**
And those religious types tend to set the bar juuust below where they are sin wise.
Churches would be a lot better place if every Christian came to gripes with the fact that their own individual sin is no better than the person sitting next to them.
It’s not an easy issue to reconcile sometimes. In fact, I don’t think I can reconcile it, as much as I can just try to trust in God that He has a plan.
Will Mormons get into heaven? Honestly, I don’t know. Will I, as nondenominational Christian? I hope so, but I will be honest that I can be a doubting Thomas about anything at any time.
Most days, I am fairly confident in my faith. But some days I just flat go off the rails. Thank goodness for those I have around me to talk me off the cliff (or at least just walk out of the room).
Best,
FL
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?Then, in Chapter 8, the Apostle Paul starts describing the state and condition of the same man who has now accepted the free salvation that is offered through the sacrifice of Christ:
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.In chapter 7, the man that the Apostle Paul is representing is dealing with the condemnation of his sin, in chapter 8, once he is IN Christ Jesus, there is now no condemnation because that same man has been born-again, forgiven, and changed from within by the grace of God. What Paul calls: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
“Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
And THAT was from the LDS owned SLC newspaper!
I DO know that their 'prophet', Brigham Young, didn't foresee so many DYING on the trip!
Yeah; without their sealed to husband to call you outta the tomb, the ladies are in deep doo-doo!
Can you be FORGIVEN sin without Jesus?
The enemy would always love to cause us to doubt.
What a sure way to rope someone into legalism and works.
That was we can look back to what we’ve done and feel better about ourselves.
I don’t think there’s a person around who hasn’t at some time or another examined themselves and wondered if they are *really* saved.
When I was going through that, some thoughts occurred to me and one was that if I was that concerned about it, then I was. When I wasn’t saved, I knew it and while it bothered me, it didn’t bother me enough to change.
Another is that if I had to make the decision to accept Christ (for lack of a better term) again, would I? To me that is the ONLY logical move anyone could ever make in their lives. And yet, when I wasn’t saved, it made no sense to me at all.
And the last is that the changes that I have seen in my life since the time I turned my life over to Christ, could not in any way be attributed to my own efforts. I did not and still do not have it in me to make the changes I have seen.
A few years ago I had an encounter with God that could best be described as being filled with the Holy Spirit. It made as profound change in me as being saved did. I was IMMEDIATELY delivered from a whole bunch of things that I had been struggling with for years. Suddenly, they were no longer an issue. Literally overnight.
FWIW, I had always heard about that kind of experience and for years wanted one and sought for it. It happened without me having the least idea it was coming until it happened so it wasn’t a matter of me doing the right things and manipulating God into doing it (as some churches seem to teach). I kind of stumbled into it. Rather, it happened to me.
Just going by what the books says (and some experience; too.)
Hebrews 11:25
He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.
I know it is; but I am trying to show what the UNsaved experience.
(Until the pleasures get way to much to handle.)
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