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The Mormon View of Salvation: A Gospel That Is Truly Impossible
Equip.prg ^ | January 8, 2015 | Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson

Posted on 01/08/2015 5:33:17 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: metmom

Of course temptation is not sin.

But avoiding it makes it easier to avoid sin.


61 posted on 01/08/2015 10:39:20 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Freely available data on the internet.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/878209/Utah-County-is-hotbed-for-white-collar-crimes.html?pg=all


62 posted on 01/08/2015 10:43:30 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DuncanWaring

Where’d the concept of free will come from? Because it’s sure not found in Scripture.

Is God obligated to give man free reign to run his life as he chooses?

God has two claims of ownership on man.

One is as his Creator, and the other as his Redeemer.

The person who has surrendered his life to God is not his own any more. He was bought with a price and now belongs to God. He has transferred ownership of himself to the RIGHTFUL owner, God, instead of usurping that.

And there is no free will, really. It’s not found anywhere in Scripture. On the contrary, according to Scripture, we are all sold as slaves to sin by our choice to sin, or we are slaves to God, when He redeems us.

People like to think that they are free and independent entities, autonomous individuals, but nothing is further from the truth. Without God’s sustaining us, even the unbeliever, we could not even draw our next breath.


63 posted on 01/08/2015 10:44:36 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DuncanWaring

There is no avoiding temptation.

There is avoiding situations where sin is easier to indulge in, but temptation comes in many ways and forms. The flesh provides plenty of it, and where the flesh doesn’t, the Devil does.


64 posted on 01/08/2015 10:45:59 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Gamecock
Do not reset odometer?

Little known Mormon fact: Some of the handcarts used in the trek from Missouri to Utah had odometers on them.


65 posted on 01/08/2015 10:47:44 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Engaging in it crosses the line and then it becomes sin.

THAT's when it's FUN!

66 posted on 01/08/2015 10:49:03 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Interesting, thanks.


67 posted on 01/08/2015 10:49:57 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: DuncanWaring
But avoiding it makes it easier to avoid sin.

One of my dear departed pastors once said:

You can't keep a bird from landing in your hair; but you don't have to let her build a nest there!

68 posted on 01/08/2015 10:50:29 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Where’d the concept of free will come from? Because it’s sure not found in Scripture.

Genesis is not part of Scripture?

Adam and Eve had a choice of obeying God's command to not eat from a particular tree, or not.

They chose to eat.

It didn't end well for them.

69 posted on 01/08/2015 10:56:31 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Adam and Eve had a choice of obeying God's command to not eat from a particular tree, or not.

Yes, ADAM and EVE DID have that choice.

We don't.

We were not created sinless but were born into sin, with a sin nature that makes us slaves to sin.

It's funny that the RCC should teach the concept of *original sin* and then claim we have free will.

Adam and Eve had a choice of obeying God's command to not eat from a particular tree, or not.

It didn't end well for the whole human race and all of creation. Sin entered the world and the corruption that goes along with it.

We cannot escape sin. We have no free will.

70 posted on 01/08/2015 11:05:21 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DuncanWaring

you want to compare the prefallen staTe of man to our condition today?

Three people had free will. And and Eve, before the fall. Jesus was the other.

We are slaves to sin.


71 posted on 01/08/2015 11:18:27 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: metmom

We have no choice in resisting temptation or yielding to it?


72 posted on 01/08/2015 11:18:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Elsie

Charged by the mile, did they?


73 posted on 01/08/2015 11:23:33 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Temptation is not sin.

The natural man has nothing within him to give himself the ability to resist temptation.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.

Romans 6:15-23 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

74 posted on 01/08/2015 11:34:28 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock

75 posted on 01/08/2015 11:37:39 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock

76 posted on 01/08/2015 11:39:16 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Nope.

If you can resist sin you don’t need Jesus.


77 posted on 01/08/2015 11:39:44 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: fishtank
I'll play!


78 posted on 01/08/2015 11:42:23 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Gamecock

We watched The Godmakers back in the mid 80’s at a friend’s house. Afterwared, one of the women said, “Now I know why my neighbor killed herself.” The neighbor was a in a mormon marriage and her husband divorced her.


79 posted on 01/08/2015 11:43:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SoConPubbie

And what are the proper fruits, according to the Bible, of that faith that brings Eternal Life?


I’ll throw this out: If you find yourself worrying about being good enough, or repenting “far enough” to make it to heaven, you’re doing it wrong.

Grace is unique to Christianity and not something to be witnessed in man-made religion. The saved are heirs. Sometimes a father is not very pleased with his children, but he doesn’t write them out of the will.

This knowledge frees us to to good, not to ensure our salvation, but to please our Father in heaven.


80 posted on 01/08/2015 11:49:52 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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