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To: NYer

The writer uses the word “Christianity” in his premise suggesting that all Christians are of the same belief. That is a false premise. Only one religion leads to God and that is the Catholic religion; all others are absolutely false––including every other “Christian” religion.

While the writer is probably sincere enough in his “Catholic” beliefs, he seems confused by implying that one “Christian” religion is a good as another. That’s Protestantism––at least in the minds of many Protestants. Of course, if he actually believes that one Christian religion is as good as any other Christian religion, then he is far more than confused. Before Vatican II it would be called heretical.

But it’s sadly understandable that this totally mendacious teaching is accepted by otherwise faithful Catholics, since that is what their bishops and priests, educated under the Vatican II doctrines, have now come to believe themselves. Unfortunately, many faithful Catholics have been led astray by this teaching––including, it seems, this sincere though erring writer, Deal Hudson.

One last point about what he says that may be a little off-topic, but worth pointing out to expose this writer’s modernism. He states that “Jesus of Nazareth was God Himself, and that he died and was resurrected — all so that we might be free from our sins.”

Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.


31 posted on 01/05/2015 7:47:24 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo

“But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.”

“Protestantized” does not work here as Scripture makes it clear Resurrection was essential, so Jesus would “ever live” to make intercession for us. He is a “priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek”. He went into the Most Holy Place and into Heaven itself. Only a resurrected Jesus could do that.

Of course, this destroys any idea of continuing a sacrifice such as the Mass represents (assuming I understand it correctly) since Jesus died ONCE FOR ALL. It is finished. Levitical priesthood over. No other priesthood needed now as we have been personally granted boldness and access.

Many do not want it.


38 posted on 01/05/2015 8:21:58 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: tomsbartoo
The writer uses the word “Christianity” in his premise suggesting that all Christians are of the same belief. That is a false premise.

I believe he is speaking in general terms - christianity vs other religions, not specifically the Catholic Church. Full Unity , is the work of the Holy Spirit.

Christianity makes a series of claims about God and man: That Jesus of Nazareth was God Himself, and that he died and was resurrected — all so that we might be free from our sins. Every other religion in the world denies each of these points. So, if Christianity is correct, then it speaks a vital truth to the world — a truth that all other religions reject.

44 posted on 01/05/2015 9:25:36 AM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: tomsbartoo
Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Your religion lied to you...Jesus had to have been raised without which you would be wallowing in your sins even if you participated in your mass 16 hours a day...

1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel (death, burial, resurrection) preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

51 posted on 01/05/2015 11:51:49 AM PST by Iscool
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To: tomsbartoo; metmom; boatbums; Iscool
>>But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.<<

Protestanized (is there such a word?) version? There would have been no victory over death had there not been the resurrection. I had not realized that the Catholic Church had a reason for leaving Jesus dead on the cross. I thought it just a ruse by Satan but I'm now thinking the Catholic Church was knowingly complicit in the imagery.

58 posted on 01/05/2015 12:16:08 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: tomsbartoo; CynicalBear; boatbums; Iscool
Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.

It's in the Scripture that y'all claim the Catholic church wrote.

Peter himself called Paul's writings *Scripture*.

The Resurrection of the Dead

1 Corinthians 15:12-19 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Looks like the Catholic church was wrong for all those years prior to V2.

65 posted on 01/05/2015 12:51:21 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: tomsbartoo
Only one religion leads to God and that is the Catholic religion;

Oh???

83 posted on 01/05/2015 2:32:20 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomsbartoo

Only one religion leads to God and that is the Catholic religion; all others are absolutely false––including every other “Christian” religion.

A fellow Catholic has actual data on this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3237145/replies?c=5137


86 posted on 01/05/2015 2:35:57 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomsbartoo

LOL.


88 posted on 01/05/2015 2:37:42 PM PST by MamaB
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To: tomsbartoo
Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.

I guess Paul was "Protestanized" then, because he said:

    Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

    For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

    For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

    But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

    But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

    Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” (I Cor. 15:1-32)

118 posted on 01/05/2015 4:11:24 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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