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To: tomsbartoo; CynicalBear; boatbums; Iscool
Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.

It's in the Scripture that y'all claim the Catholic church wrote.

Peter himself called Paul's writings *Scripture*.

The Resurrection of the Dead

1 Corinthians 15:12-19 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Looks like the Catholic church was wrong for all those years prior to V2.

65 posted on 01/05/2015 12:51:21 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums; Iscool

The problem with Protestants reading these Catholic issues and Catholic responses, is that you only think in Protestant terms. This issue is with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I’ve explained this earlier to one of your Protestant brethren at Post #42. Take a look at that and at least you’ll understand more clearly as to where and why we disagree. Quite frankly, I think the short answer is that I’m Catholic and you’re not.


71 posted on 01/05/2015 1:34:56 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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