Pope Francis Errs In Linking Church To Green Movement

Investors.com ^ | 12/29/14 | IBD Editorials

[BlatherNaut]

Pope Francis' recent leftist statements should trouble Catholics and non-Catholics alike, but even more disturbing are the pope's latest declarations on the dramatic action needed to fight climate change...

...What climate-change action will the Vatican endorse? Almost all the leading anti-climate-change initiatives endorsed by the Green Movement — cap and trade, carbon taxes, regulations against using abundant fossil fuels — are merely regressive taxes that hurt the poor the most. What is the ethical and moral basis for going to poor villages and telling those living at subsistence levels that they have an obligation to save the planet by staying poor and using less energy? Cheap and affordable electric power is the best antidote for extreme poverty, disease, malnutrition and human deprivation....

[Iscool]

Peter's cowardice and snobbery with regard to table fellowship with the uncircumcised fulfilled none of these requirements.

Is that what Catholics tell each other was going on...Table fellowship??? That's quite a twist on the scriptures...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Peter was walking deceitfully according to the truth of the Gospel, and you call it 'table fellowship'??? Sorry, but Peter was destroying the faith of the Gentiles while confirming the Jews' beliefs in living under the law and not grace...

And Paul corrects Peter with the following...

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Peter was guilty of siding with those who rejected the Gospel and claimed the Gentile Christians had to live under the law...If that's not faith and morals, nothing is...

[Iscool]

You are trying to call into question Papal Infallibility.

But you posted material relating to “Papal Primacy” in the political realm.

The material you posted is entirely irrelevant. It’s not about Papal Infallibility at all.

Though you’d like to know.

I think if you read far enough into it, it also covers infallibility...Regardless, those documents prove the illegitimacy of the office of a pope so papal infallibility is a moot issue...

[BlatherNaut]

Having said that, has a pope ever written an ENCYCLICAL solely about such an erroneous position?

Has there ever been a pope with such a "reprehensible desire of novelty"?

EWTN's list of encyclicals includes none which address such a specious and spiritually irrelevant topic. No need to check in Denzingers for similarly outré encyclicals, I would think. :)

http://www.ewtn.com/library/indexes/ENCYC.htm

Should he write anything in the encyclical contradictory to Scripture, Tradition, or Reason, such would constitute merely his own false opinion. A pope's false opinions are obviously not binding on the rest of us, although some in the media seem to be implying otherwise.

[Mrs. Don-o]

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[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you, Arthur.

Tomorrow is the 26th Wedding Anniversary for don-o and me, celebrating the best decision I ever made, the best gift I ever got, the best blessing I (never) deserved, and the best man I have ever known. My don-o! Happy New Year, everyone!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Everything that Scripture says there, even with all your boldings and colored type faces, is absolutely corect.

It is also correct that Blessed Peter was, in this instance, a coward and a snob.

I'm thanking God it was not a matter of papal infallibility; or, better said, that it illustrates papal infallibility as it is applied in the negative sense: it did not bind believers "de fide" to an erroneous doctrine, because it was not a "doctrine" at all. It was Peter's lapse from the truth of God's free and full acceptance of the Gentiles.

Peter was well and truly corrected by Paul. That's Papal Infallibility to the Rescue!

[Arthur McGowan]

Wow. It seems like only 23 years!

[Arthur McGowan]

The Pope’s stupidity or corruption is absolutely no reason to leave the Catholic Church.

Why are suggesting that Catholics leave the Catholic Church?

[Salvation]

a hoax story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3242187/posts

[BlatherNaut]

Did you read the article at the link you posted? It contradicts your assertion that this is a “hoax story”.

[Scooter100]

Pope Frannie should haul his a$$ out of the carbon tax scam business, or he’ll end up like John Paul I.

[ScottinVA]

I said “I” quit that church.. not “you” quit. See the difference?

[ScottinVA]

“An” erroneous opinion? Try “plethora” of erroneous opinions.

[FreedomPoster]

>>Conversely, China a communist country has embraced some catpitalist reforms and suffered a lot of polution as a result.

They had plenty of pollution before capitalist reforms. Same for the former Soviet Union, they had plenty before their downfall.

[piusv]

That is probably accurate.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Well, yeah, there’s that, too. :o(

[Jan_Sobieski]

Whatever it is...it is not biblical.

[vbmoneyspender]

Yeah DannyTN must be young and not realize that communist countries have created economic disasters. Or maybe he is just strangely sympathetic to big gov't solutions even if they come from Communists in China and Russia.

Why Socialism Causes Pollution (1992)

In China, as in Russia, putting the government in charge of resource allocation has not had desirable environmental consequences. Information on the state of China’s environment is not encouraging.

According to the Worldwatch Institute, more than 90 percent of the trees in the pine forests in China’s Sichuan province have died because of air pollution. In Chungking, the biggest city in southwest China, a 4, 500-acre forest has been reduced by half. Acid rain has reportedly caused massive crop losses.

There also have been reports of waterworks and landfill projects severely hampering fish migration. Fish breeding was so seriously neglected that fish has largely vanished from the national diet. Depletion of government-owned forests has turned them into deserts, and millions of acres of grazing and farm land in the northern Chinese plains were made alkaline and unproductive during the "Great Leap Forward."

[livius]

That’s how I’ve always seen it. Remember Uriah Heep (vicious, back-stabbing weasel), who was just “an ‘umble man”...

[Arthur McGowan]

The prelate who reminds me most of Uriah Heep is Donald Wuerl. Watch him on YouTube. He talks in this hushed, strained voice, as though he’s practically having a vision of the Blessed Mother, all while explaining how adulterers, or Joe Biden, or Nancy Pelosi need to be given Communion. He does everything but rub his hands together.

When Wuerl turned out to be a favorite of Francis, that’s when I decided Francis has absolutely no ability to judge character.

Of course, Wuerl treats his priests like scum.