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To: af_vet_1981; Springfield Reformer
You were complaining about me wanting to use labels and you were doing it yourself.

SIGH!

My complaint was that you presumed to place Springfield Reformer and I into the "pledged to the Reformers" box and concluded, wrongly, that since I made a passing reference to Martin Luther, I was pledged to him, too. Here's what you said:

Pauline Soteriology. Would will the Twelve Apostles judging on twelve thrones say about that ? There was a reformed theology from Luther and others who created a new religious movement without divine authority almost five centuries ago. Obviously Romans was not clear to them. Since you have pledged yourself, as it were, to the reformers, and I rest in the holy catholic apostolic church, we will not agree and await the judgment of Messiah and the Apostles.

My reply was:

Why is it many FRoman Catholics seem so incapable of seeing others without placing them in tidy boxes with labels on the outside? Neither SR nor I "pledged" ourselves to the reformers. All we've been trying to do is show the reformers were NOT the originators of the doctrines of sola Scriptura and sola fide but that these were clearly taught IN scripture and were held by many of the very first church "fathers". How is it you can just ignore all the quotes and references that have been posted which proved that?

You accused me of making up the term FRoman Catholic and I told you why I didn't. Sheesh! Do you argue with relatives in this manner, nitpicking words, majoring on the minor, avoiding talking about the point? It's a crummy way of having a discussion.

4,249 posted on 12/30/2014 11:42:50 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Quit complaining about the goalposts moving and KICK the thing!


4,273 posted on 12/31/2014 4:57:38 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
My complaint was that you presumed to place Springfield Reformer and I into the "pledged to the Reformers" box and concluded, wrongly, that since I made a passing reference to Martin Luther, I was pledged to him, too. Here's what you said:

False; post 3517 was not addressed to you. You just came in uninvited, so to speak, in post 3758, using "we" and speaking as a team. Does that make you a Reformed Baptist too? Own your words.

You accused me of making up the term FRoman Catholic and I told you why I didn't. Sheesh! Do you argue with relatives in this manner, nitpicking words, majoring on the minor, avoiding talking about the point? It's a crummy way of having a discussion.

False, I never wrote what you claim, that you made up the label. I demonstrated the hypocrisy about complaining of labels while using one of your own choosing. I attempt to be accurate but a lot of people will not reveal their true affiliations, which is often symptomatic of cults or borderline sects that twist or deny a tenet of Orthodox Christianity that may get them booted from an antiCatholic alliance.

4,351 posted on 12/31/2014 8:52:49 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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