Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
I don't know...a venial sin is pretty minor....did Jesus commit a venial sin when He angrily threw the money changers out of the temple???...Did He commit a sin of any kind when He did not honor His mother and father and stayed behind in Jerusalem???...Luckily I'm not the judge!!
That’s a question for the Catholic church not for someone who knows it doesn’t exist.
Without the shedding of blood, there is NO forgiveness of sins.
Suffering in purgatory can’t cleanse from sin because it’s not the right medium for cleansing.
You are in deep trouble.
More than you realize.
FAR more than you realize, if you even think of questioning if Jesus sinned.
Anyone who has the slightest inkling of Scripture knows the answer to that one without even hesitating.
It just goes to show you how far off the rail a man based religion can lead it’s adherents.
We are all anxiously awaiting the correct interpretation!!!
I figured that all you ex-Catholic protestant types could figure out what I was talking about....in Heaven time is MEANINGLESS (not a biblical quote) and I am embarrased by virtually NOTHING.
After the guests had consumed all the wine, the steward was told by Jesus to fill up the bunch of LARGE jugs with water and He turned them into WINE....not grape juice...WINE...must have been one of those Catholic weddings....We do like to celebrate!!
Yeah, but just remember how great Peter looked with his crozier and pointed hat as first Pope!
Never think that I want to see him marvellized and made into a myth by idolators. When I see him as he was, there is hope for me and other ordinary sinners —
Oh please, asking questions is NEVER a sin, however denying the true church of Christ and following various man made "denominaations" has to come pretty close.
It covers the essential purgatory doctrine. That you can invent interpretations that are wholly fantastical and differ from the plain meaning, I have no doubt.
It is not a judgment at all, but rather purification of the saved.
And it would take a lot of theological back-and-fill to make it look like he would ever supply anything different. IT WAS NEWLY MADE! Do you get that? N-e-w = new. Unfermented. There had been NO wine at this wedding, before His mother told him: "They have NO wine."
She did NOT say, "They have NO MORE wine."
Even entertaining the possibility that Jesus may have sinned, even little venial sins, demonstrates a spiritual poverty and Scriptural illiteracy that is breath-taking in its scope and consequences.
I sure hope that that kind of thinking is not pervasive in Catholicism because it reveals a magnitude of poorly catechized that is beyond anything I ever would have conceived of.
The saved are already purified by the blood of Jesus.
There is no need for further purification.
If there’s something left that needs purification, the person wasn’t saved, and they are not in purgatory, but in hell.
However, I do suppose that them thinking that they’ll somehow and some time get out of the flames will give them something to hang on to until they realize that it is permanent after all.
Luckily you're not the Magesterium either. I find it ironic how you show no compunction when asserting "all Protestants are wrong" - never taking the time to explain which beliefs are wrong - yet you contradict an ancient basic tenet of the Christian faith which is that Jesus Christ was without sin - of any kind. Had He committed even what you call a "minor" sin, He would not only have been disqualified as the substitutionary atonement for the sins of the world but He could NOT be God incarnate.
The RC distinction of "mortal" vs. "venial" sins is in conflict with Scripture in many places. James says, whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2:10) Even Mary, because she is NOT God incarnate, is counted with the "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23) and "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)
ALL sin is mortal because even the smallest sin is serious enough to convict us of being sinners and deserving of eternal punishment. It is why Jesus came to earth, in the likeness of sinful man, lived a perfect and sinless life and died on the cross to make propitiation for our sins. It is through Jesus Christ, and Him alone, that anyone has a chance of redemption.
No *interpretation* of the matter can be as fantastical as the whole concept of purgatory in the first place.
There is no such thing as purgatory and those verses written by Paul do not support it in the least because it is not talking about what Catholics claim it talks about.
It is NOT about cleansing the soul from sin, but rather if the works done were of value or not.
It's the works that are being tested, not the soul being purified.
One of the basic tenants of reading Scripture is to read a few verses before and after, to get the full context of the passage.
In this case just reading the entire verse might serve you well:
When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” (John 2:3)
That is your theory, but the Holy Scripture teaches that they are both purified as the “stubble” is burned off and saved “in the end”.
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