Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
See #607
Ok, so they aren’t all that good at studying Catholicism either but I was trying to be nice.
This is the Liturgy of any typical Catholic Mass the scriptural quotes follow each line.
The words spoken by the priests and the people during the Catholic Mass and other Christian liturgies are not only based on the Bible; many of them are direct quotations from particular biblical texts
Introductory Rites:
Sign of the Cross:
“In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matt 28:19; cf. John 14:13-14; Acts 2:21)
Liturgical Greeting:
“The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” (2 Cor 13:14)
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” (Phil 1:2; Eph 1:2)
“The Lord be with you.” (2 Tim 4:22; cf. Matt 1:23; 28:20)
People’s Response:
“And with your spirit” (cf. Gal 6:18; 2 Tim 4:22)
Rite of Blessing and Sprinkling Holy Water (see Ezek 36:25; cf. Num 8:7a)
Penitential Act:
Intro: “Let us acknowledge our sins, and so prepare ourselves to celebrate the sacred mysteries.” (cf. Ps 51:5)
“I confess to almighty God...” (cf. Lev 5:5; Neh 1:5-9; Dan 9:3-19; James 5:16)
“Have mercy on us, O Lord. / For we have sinned against you. / Show us, O Lord, your mercy. / And grant us your salvation.” (Ps 41:4)
“Lord, Have Mercy” (Matt 15:22; 17:15; 20:30-31; cf. Ps 123:3)
Gloria:
“Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will” (Luke 2:14; cf. Rev 4:11; 5:11-14)
“We praise you, we bless you, we adore you, we glorify you...” (Cf. Ps 148:13)
“Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son” (cf. Ps 2:7; John 1:14)
“Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, you take away the sins of the world...” (cf. John 1:29)
etc.
Prayers concluded by “Amen” (Neh 8:6; Ps 41:13; Rom 16:27; Heb 13:20-21; Rev 7:16)
Liturgy of the Word:
these were the scriptural reading this past Sunday in every Catholic Church in the world:
December 14, 2014
Third Sunday of Advent
Reading 1 is 61:1-2a, 10-11
The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me,
because the LORD has anointed me;
he has sent me to bring glad tidings to the poor,
to heal the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives
and release to the prisoners,
to announce a year of favor from the LORD
and a day of vindication by our God.
I rejoice heartily in the LORD,
in my God is the joy of my soul;
for he has clothed me with a robe of salvation
and wrapped me in a mantle of justice,
like a bridegroom adorned with a diadem,
like a bride bedecked with her jewels.
As the earth brings forth its plants,
and a garden makes its growth spring up,
so will the Lord GOD make justice and praise
spring up before all the nations.
Responsorial Psalm lk 1:46-48, 49-50, 53-54
R/ (Is 61:10b) My soul rejoices in my God.
My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;
my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has looked upon his lowly servant.
From this day all generations will call me blessed:
R/ My soul rejoices in my God.
the Almighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his Name.
He has mercy on those who fear him
in every generation.
R/ My soul rejoices in my God.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has come to the help of his servant Israel
for he has remembered his promise of mercy,
R/ My soul rejoices in my God.
Reading 2 1 thes 5:16-24
Brothers and sisters:
Rejoice always. Pray without ceasing.
In all circumstances give thanks,
for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.
Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not despise prophetic utterances.
Test everything; retain what is good.
Refrain from every kind of evil.
May the God of peace make you perfectly holy
and may you entirely, spirit, soul, and body,
be preserved blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The one who calls you is faithful,
and he will also accomplish it.
Alleluia Is 61:1 (cited in Lk 4:18)
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to bring glad tidings to the poor.
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
Gospel jn 1:6-8, 19-28
A man named John was sent from God.
He came for testimony, to testify to the light,
so that all might believe through him.
He was not the light,
but came to testify to the light.
And this is the testimony of John.
When the Jews from Jerusalem sent priests
and Levites to him
to ask him, “Who are you?”
He admitted and did not deny it,
but admitted, “I am not the Christ.”
So they asked him,
“What are you then? Are you Elijah?”
And he said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”
So they said to him,
“Who are you, so we can give an answer to those who sent us?
What do you have to say for yourself?”
He said:
“I am the voice of one crying out in the desert,
‘make straight the way of the Lord,’”
as Isaiah the prophet said.”
Some Pharisees were also sent.
They asked him,
“Why then do you baptize
if you are not the Christ or Elijah or the Prophet?”
John answered them,
“I baptize with water;
but there is one among you whom you do not recognize,
the one who is coming after me,
whose sandal strap I am not worthy to untie.”
This happened in Bethany across the Jordan,
where John was baptizing.
Introductory/Concluding Dialogues:
“A reading from the book/letter of...”
“The Word of the Lord” (1 Peter 1:25) - “Thanks be to God” (Rom 6:17; 2 Cor 9:15)
“A reading from the holy Gospel according to...” - “Glory to you, O Lord”
“The Gospel of the Lord” (Rom 16:25; Mark 1:1) - “Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ”
Acclamations before the Gospel:
“Alleluia” (many Psalms, esp. Ps 146-150; Rev 19:1-6)
“Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory!” (cf. Ps 24:7-10; 1 Thess 2:12; 2 Tim 4:18)
“Praise and honor to you, Lord Jesus Christ!” (cf. Dan 4:34, 37; 1 Peter 1:7)
“Glory and praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ!” (cf. Phil 1:11)
Profession of Faith:
“I believe...” (Mark 9:24; John 11:27; cf. John 14:1; 1 John 5:10)
General Intercessions:
“We pray to the Lord” (Exod 8:29-30; 10:17-18; Jer 42:2-4; Acts 8:22-24)
“Lord, hear our prayer” (2 Kings 20:2-5; Isa 38:2-5)
Liturgy of the Eucharist:
Preparation of the Gifts:
“Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation...” (cf. 1 Chron 29:10; Ps 72:18-19; 119:10; Luke 1:68)
“Blessed be God forever. “ (cf. Gen 14:20; Ps 66:20; 68:35)
Eucharistic Acclamations:
“Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of hosts...” (Isa 6:3; Rev 4:8)
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” (Ps 118:26; Mark 11:9; Matt 21:9; Luke 19:38; John 12:13)
“Hosanna in the highest” (Mark 11:10; Matt 21:9; cf. Luke 19:38)
Words of Institution: (see Mark 14:22-24; Matt 26:26-28; cf. Luke 22:17-20; 1 Cor 11:23-25)
“Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body, which will be given up for you” (a combination of Mark 14:22; Matt 26:26; Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24)
“Take this, all of you, and drink from it, for this is the chalice of my Blood, the Blood of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (a combination of Mark 14:24; Matt 26:27b-28; cf. Luke 22:17, 20; 1 Cor 11:25)
“Do this in remembrance of me” (only Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24a, 25b)
Memorial Acclamations:
“We proclaim your Death, O Lord, and profess your Resurrection until you come again.” (cf. 1 Cor 16:22)
“When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup, we proclaim your Death, O Lord, until you come again.” (cf. 1 Cor 11:26)
“Save us, Savior of the world, for by your Cross and Resurrection you have set us free.” (cf. Matt 8:25; Luke 4:42; Rom 8:21)
Lord’s Prayer:
“Our Father in heaven...” (Matt 6:9-13; cf. Luke 11:2-4; Mark 14:36; Gal 4:6)
Embolism: “Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil... as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13)
Doxology: “For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours...”
(found only in some biblical manuscripts after Matt 6:13; cf. Rev 4:11; 11:15; 1 Chron 29:11)
Greeting of Peace:
“Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles, ‘I leave you peace, my peace I give you’” (John 14:27)
“The peace of the Lord be with you always.” (cf. John 16:33; 20:19, 21, 26)
Breaking of the Bread:
“Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world...” (cf. John 1:29, 36; Rev 5:6-13; 22:1-3)
Preparation before Communion:
“Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who takes away the sins of the world. Blessed are those called to the supper of the Lamb.” (John 1:29, 36; Rev 19:9)
“Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” (Matt 8:8; cf. Luke 7:1-10)
Concluding Rite:
Final Blessing (cf. Gen 28:3; Deut 14:29; Num 6:23-27; Ps 29:11)
Dismissal:
“Go forth, the Mass is ended.”
“Go and announce the Gospel of the Lord.” (cf. Mark 16:15)
“Go in peace, glorifying the Lord by your life.” (cf. Ps 115:1; 1 Cor 10:31; 2 Thess 1:12)
“Go in peace.” (cf. Exod 4:18; Deut 10:11-13; Judg 18:6; 1 Sam 1:17; Mark 5:34; Luke 7:50; 8:48)
Last Sunday did you see that much Scripture in your protestant Church??
For the Greater Glory of God
Do all you protestant believe that Catholics study Catholicism not Scripture?
There are a lot of people out there who say the same of the Pentateuch, especially regarding Genesis and parts of Exodus. To one who maintains the principle of Sola Scriptura, why would the words of historians, and in our day, some scientists, affect our faith?
Thanks, and God bless you?
Your comment: “Because the RCC teaches lies....assumption of Mary, immaculate conception, indulgences, etc....”
It is a shame if you really believe this, as Satan tries to diminish Jesus and his Holy Catholic Church.
Why are you so certain as you offer only your opinions and have not shown that the Catholic Church teachings are lies?
Why are you so full of yourself and angry? Shouldn’t we spread the word of God and lead others to follow Christ in a positive way?
You would be a real hero to the media if you could prove the Catholic Church teachings were lies. Obviously some of the teachings require faith and acceptance of God’s will.
You must not accept God’s word in Chspter 16 of Matthew:
18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
I hope that you will find the Truth and help others find the Truth through faith.
have you ever read the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
have you ever read the Apostolic and Early Church Fathers?
if you haven’t then how can you comment on what Catholics study?
how do you know?
what is you personal knowledge on this or are you winging it again?
Ad Majoram Dei Gloram
Do you really believe such ridiculous claims like that?
Jesus Christ died for our sins. Mary had a baby. Mary is dead. Jesus was raised from the dead to symbolize and to fulfill the promise to us that we, too, shall have eternal life.
The statement you made is found nowhere in Scripture, but is oft repeated within the cult of Catholicism... BUT IT HAS NO FOUNDATION IN TRUTH, and certainly is not found in Scripture. It is another lie from the pits of Hell designed to deceive and keep souls from the Truth! The Catholic religious training (catechism) excels in that!!!
The person the Catholic cult claims as the first pope (who clearly states here what stone is the cornerstone) even makes it perfectly clear. It is only later, when the catholic clergy realized they had no foundation in Scripture, that they made traditions a standard of the faith which is more powerful than the Word of God to the believers within the cult.
Mark 7: 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! ...
Acts 4: 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” ...
... Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
“Why bother asking your friends, neighbors, and fellow church goers to pray for you. They are dead in sin, just like the rest of us.”
I know they can hear my request. Also, I would never ask anyone who is not a born-again Christian to pray for me. True Christians, do as I suggested. They go boldly to the throne of grace. They petition the Father directly through the sole Mediator, Jesus Christ.
“She was also given a singular grace, the grace to be conceived without original sin...”
I’m sorry, but that’s unbiblical nonsense, an invention of popery.
Please note that there is no indication nor reason to believe that said “Elders” were humans, and by testimony in other chapters, they cannot be such, since there is but one resurrection unto life noted in God’s word.
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Mary is dead.
Could you quote the Scriptural reference that states that Mary is dead?
AMDG
Refer to post 401.
Isaiah prophesy and the hypocrites.
what a fascinating theory...the revolutionaries (note that I didn't say reformers) {reform is within} just didn't have enough time yet to overcome the thousand years of evil Catholicism....O.K., I guess,... but what about Christ saying that I am with you from NOW UNTIL THE END OF TIME..I hate broken promises, don't you??
And luckily the Protestants invented the printing press....oh wait...nevertheless suddenly, because of protestantism, all people would have access to the Bible.
The FACT that the Catholic church had saved the bible from oblivion doesn't even occur to you. Catholics wrote, compiled, edited, copied (by hand) the Bible that you have today. Without the Catholic Church, you'd have to run down to your local Synagogue to read a copy of the Old Testament and that's all that would be available. Through the first one thousand six hundred years of Christianity, the Catholic church advanced civilization to a VERY great extent...kingdoms were Christian, Monasteries were established to advance Christianity, Libraries were established to save and preserve what were, at the time, precious, handwritten copies of the worlds books.As Moslem hoardes attempted to overtake the world, it was the Pope, kings, Emperors, who launched the Crusades to again, preserve Christianity...and they did a pretty good job of it.
about 11,600 years after the founding and preservation of Christianity by the Catholics, along came the revolutionaries ....They said, we decided that this particular thing doesn't appeal to us so we'd better get rid of it, we don't like that book in the bible so let's eliminate it...Jesus didn't really mean it when He Said "THIS IS MY BODY"...so lets just assume He was kidding.
recovered the Gospel of Grace....you are part of 30,000 or so "denominations" all of which think that they are right....They aren't, The Catholic Church is correct, always has been, and always will be. Christ said so...believe Him!!
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CynicalBear and I exchange such opinions often.
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Do you use the smoke from fish hearts burning to chase away devils?
Tobit 4:11, "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness."
Do you believe that alms deliver from sin? Or is it Jesus?
Sirach 3 - and alms maketh an atonement for sin”
Leviticus 17:11 - for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”
So which is it? Jesus blood or alms?
Sirach 12 - “Give to the godly man, and help not a sinner. Do well unto him that is lowly, but give not to the ungodly; hold back thy bread, and give it not unto him... give unto the good, and help not the sinner.”
Luke 6 - Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back”
Romans 12 - “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink;”
So which is it?
The reformers hardly had the power to set straight more than a thousand years of error generated by Constantine’s cult, but Yeshua will do it “in the twinkling of an eye” at the last trump!
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ALWAYS base your theological discussions on wiki...they're YOUR first source of information....and it shows.
You are a nasty piece of work, aren't you?
Nowhere in your comments do I see the Holy Spirit. There is no generosity or kindness one would expect from one who loves God.
Are you fill with the Holy Spirit, or just a good Catholic?
Well if you wouldn't be wrong on some things we wouldn't :-)
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