Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Thank you for that clarity Boatbums!
Be careful, that "rabbit hole" of Luther's misdeeds you want to scurry down is filled to the brim with even WORSE crimes committed, devised and condoned by your Popes and their co-conspirators against Jews and those they deemed heretics!
“Father” Charmot] (”The Secret History of the Jesuits: Paris, 59). [HT caww]
Jesuits worship Mary, along with a multitude of everyday Catholics.
Francis is a Jesuit. Francis is a Catholic. In fact, Francis is the TOP Catholic.
Perhaps that is why Mary is the central figure in Catholicism.
Thank you for adding this information....
Remarkably I do ot know what can bring catholics out of the spritual darkness they are in aside from Jesus himself opening their eyes, and even when it’s right in front of them they still deny or cover up what they do and are before these idols. Reminds me of woman who know their husbands are cheating on them but it’s too painful to accept the truth of what they know.
But that's not so. Nobody thinks that works w/out faith are anything but atheist humanism, which even multiplied x 10,000 don't add up to our eternal salvation.
You appealed to Luther. He is the father of Sola Fide and a perfect example of why it is erroneous. He is your example of justification by faith alone and reveals the abomination. He advocated the destruction of German Jewry four centuries before it was finally and completely implemented by those who looked to him as the great antiSemitic champion. I already refuted your attempts to teach doctrine. There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of Messiah.
"But that's not so. Nobody thinks that works w/out faith..."
Stop right there. I didn't say works without faith. (In fact I said "Catholics may do works for salvation."
So whatever you wrote after that did not pertain to my statement.
2 Kings 13:21Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.
Here another....mural depicting the same idea...This is what the Roman Catholic online magazine “Catholic Culture” writes:....... "Dedicated to the spiritual martyrdom of Mary, Mother of God, and her compassion with the sufferings of her Divine Son, Jesus. In her suffering 'as co-redeemer', she reminds us of the tremendous evil of sin and 'shows us the way' of true repentance. ...... As Mary stood at the foot of the Cross on which Jesus hung, the sword of sorrow Simeon had foretold pierced her soul. Below are depcited the seven sorrows of Mary
And yet another depiction which takes away the very real sword in Jesus and His blood that shed for many, transferring it to catholics mary as central to catholics belief system.
I missed the part where the Israelites carried Elisha’s severed limbs about and kissed them.
So that is how she died! How sad, who did that?
Priest touching her head with a relic
And very sadly this couple being united in marriage in front of a copse in a catholic church!!
2 Kings 13:21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.
And your point being?
Attempting to somehow equate Mary with Elisha??
We have the OT account of how God used Elisha and the wonders that he was able to do.
We have no such records regarding Mary having super natural capabilities in the NT. Nor is there any hint of her having any super natural powers.
The catholic desperation to somehow justify Mary as being equal or like Elisha to justify their worship of her is indeed sad.
The One in the Gospels.
In art, the "swords which pierced Mary's heart" represent:
at the prophecy of Simeon;
at the flight into Egypt;
having lost the Holy Child at Jerusalem;
meeting Jesus on his way to Calvary;
standing at the foot of the Cross;
Jesus being taken from the Cross;
at the burial of Christ.
There’s nothing scriptural to signify the Mary of the Bible was knifed seven times...that is your religions pretending and making up their own story to keep people entrapped with Mary Worship..... as they twist and distort everything that is of God.
Most of their doctrines of mystic happenings are borrowed and distorted from the old testament events....they use them to justify their beliefs which are easily accepted by the mass of followers within the catholic religion...just as the Muslims accept whatever their Mullahs teach them. The indoctrination to both begins from birth onward.
No, there is no such rule, nor can it be.
First, Roman Catholic Church is one particular rite of the Catholic Church; there are over a dozen others. For example, my family and I loved to worship at the Melkite Church in Sacramento; it is an ancient Catholic Church with mostly Arabic membership, they have Eastern Orthodox liturgy and practice (their priests are ordinarily married, for example) but never broke off the communion with the Pope and are Catholic. No conversion of any kind occurs when Catholics worship in different Catholic Churches. For some reason Protestants love to stress "Roman" in "Catholic", but the important thing is to be Catholic, not Catholic of Roman Rite.
Further, while Church unity is important, for your personal salvation the Holy Mysteries (or "Sacraments") of the Church are important, not external or communal aspects of your faith. While we do not have an administrative unity with the Eastern Orthodox, they have valid Sacraments and so on that level they are also Catholic.
Next, a priest is not required to baptize. Protestant baptisms are generally valid (provided they are in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost). So a baptized Protestant in in the state of grace from his baptism till he commits a sin. If he dies, he goes straight to heaven and he is saved; his baptism saved him.
Lastly, the conversion to the Catholic Church does not need to be formal. Often people convert when they meet Jesus at the moment of their death. We simply do not know if they do.
Often we hear: "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church"; that is a true statement in the sense that everyone in Heaven is Catholic; but how people get there is a process quite a bit mysterious.
Do not let this complex answer lead you away from the Church though. While there is no fast rule, the only way to be sure and secure in your future salvation is to visit the local Church, inquire of the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA, exists in every parish) and bring the process of your conversion to completion.
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