Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
John 2:6-10. Read the Holy Gospel every once in a while and you, too, will become Catholic and taste peace.
No, it's not with someone's ideas or interpretation, but shown throughout Scripture that ALL humanity is under the curse of sin, ALL have sinned and there is NONE as righteous as God no matter how humanly "good" they are.
Matter of fact, they say exactly what I said ...
Luke 1:43 - “lord”, used of Messiah.
Exodus 3:2 - OT not written in Greek.
Mary was bearer/mother of Messiah.
Yes, more or less, it is. The Old Testament Law was absent grace and was given the Jews in order to give them simple rules easy to follow. Christianity arrives to a deeper understanding of sin as willful defiance of God, not an ignorant mistake. Note, also that the Hebrew Law is very lenient in this case.
So? Everything is possible with God.
Catholicism takes one verse, one verse out of context, and builds a whole theology around it. It is the absolute worst form of Biblical interpretation there is. Too many false doctrines have been built upon OVT and the catholic account of a super Mary is one of them.
The purpose of this account is recorded in John 2:11.
This beginning of His signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory, and His disciples believed in Him.
It's all about Jesus. It is not about Mary.
Notice whose name is not mentioned in this passage from John 2:1-11....Mary.
She is referred to as:
the mother of Jesus 2x
His mother 2x
her 1x
Woman 1x
The first two, the mother of Jesus and His mother put the attention back on Jesus.
After verse 5 her involvement in this passage is over.
On the other hand, Jesus is mentioned by name six times in this passage.
He is referenced another seven times as either He, His or My.
This passage is ALL about Him. He is at the beginning of the account, the middle and the end. He is the focus of the passage. Mary, the disciples, and the wedding are just the backdrop to the story.
He plainly is. Can you read English?
So? Everything is possible with God.
God yes....Mary no.
John 19,, John 6, Luke 22, 1 Cor 11 are "corruptions of Holy Scripture"? Why should we take you Protestants seriously?
Believe me, if anyone on Earth were assigning someone to defend the Catholic church, it would NOT be me...There are nights when I just love to sit here and do this...that's all.
Every response that I give, however is as honest as I can be...a little sarcasm once in a while, but I've been a Catholic longer than most on here have been alive. I am troubled by those who have chosen to follow a path that will only lead them to disaster and I try my best to convince them to really seek the truth within the Catholic church.
I certainly realize that there are differing opinions on many facets of religious teaching, however I consider the Catholic church the only true interpreter of the bible....everything else is either in error or incomplete.
It was not clear from the context? Can you do word searches?
Luke 11:27-28.
“John 19,, John 6, Luke 22, 1 Cor 11 are “corruptions of Holy Scripture”? Why should we take you Protestants seriously?”
Why INDEED?!
Discuss the issues all you want, do not make it personal.
Mindreading is a form of making it personal
Since Jesus is God, Mary is mother of God.
It is so because you know how to capitalize “all”?
Luke, however, wrote in Greek and also (surprise) read Greek, including the Septuagint. Yet Luke did not write “mother of Christ” — which would be “mother of Messiah” but “mother of my Lord”. Complain to him, or to Elizabeth; I read the Holy Scripture as written.
they are nice pictures, but meaningless...you have no idea what was in the minds of anyone in the pictures. I've been there and done that, I've done it for over 70 years and not once, never, did I pray to the statue....prayed through Mary and the saints...yes
That "atheist" needs to do a little more work on his logic skills!
He is contending that a Catholic can know divine revelation because men in the Catholic church read the Bible, interpreted it and say what it teaches. He ASSUMES this church speaks with "Christ's voice" and can never be in error because they are "infallible" - because they say they are.
But, a non-Catholic Christian - for we know that not all Christians are just Catholic OR Protestant - can go to that SAME Divinely-inspired, infallible Scripture and read the words from God and with the illumination of the indwelling Holy Spirit, be led into all truth. He is NOT assenting to himself, but to what God clearly teaches in his sacred word.
The Catholic relies on his priest to "get it right" and teach him, the non-Catholic relies on the Holy Spirit, going directly to the source. No "middleman" needed. This blarney about the Bible needing to be "interpreted" by someone only applies to the TRANSLATION of the Scripture's original language into the one the learner understands. With study and a earnest desire to learn, anyone can know the deep things of God. It doesn't have to be outsourced to someone who promises they are infallible.
The former atheist has been hoodwinked into handing off his faith to fallible men who convinced him they were smarter or more "holy" and he placed his trust in them instead of God. The Catholic church HAS erred, made mistakes, messed up, changed its doctrines and has had more than a few miserable examples of human "piety" as top leaders - if that is speaking with Christ's voice, then it's a pretty shaky foundation to base ones eternity on.
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