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Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'
Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

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To: Mrs. Don-o
A lovely scene is before us: the last being first, the humble one being exalted by her Savior, her Son.

Well, THIS sure has to be tradition, because the bible records no such EXALTATION.

This is something that Rome has created.

81 posted on 12/10/2014 12:10:41 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marshmallow
Every storefront has the "true" Gospel".

Every pope has been handpicked by GOD.

82 posted on 12/10/2014 12:11:25 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tired of Taxes
I consider protestant Christians to be my brothers and sisters in Christ. But the anti-Catholic nastiness on this thread does not come across as very Christian.

The more that RCC members post on FR, the less I am sure we are all born-again (as Jesus Himself said we must be) Christians. Males and females, definitely; brothers and sisters in Christ, no.

One reason of many: the meaning given for the RCC Eucharist is different from the meaning Jesus gave for what is called The Lord's Supper, a frequent, introspective, prayerful remembrance of Him.
83 posted on 12/10/2014 12:14:31 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: BlatherNaut
The Blessed Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, was human.

Aye, laddie; she was.


Rome says:

The Blessed Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, was A SINLESS human.


If I was a Catholic; I'd WORRY about this claim!!


It would be a mortal sin (a violation of the First Commandment) for a Catholic to claim otherwise.

84 posted on 12/10/2014 12:16:44 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Every pope has been handpicked by GOD.

Actually, last I heard, God had nothing to do with the selection of the pope.

And just wow, can I believe that.

85 posted on 12/10/2014 12:20:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Tired of Taxes
But the anti-Catholic nastiness on this thread does not come across as very Christian.

You, obviously, are very tenderhearted.

We play REALLY rough on THIS playground.

If you wish to remain unscathed, get some protection.

If you deside to stay; watch and learn from your fellow Catholics here.

Say what they say, and you'll never have to worry that even a fleck of nastiness will ever escape YOUR lips (fingers, I guess).

86 posted on 12/10/2014 12:22:40 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; Elsie
Big E : Every pope has been handpicked by GOD.

mom I've never met : Actually, last I heard, God had nothing to do with the selection of the pope.


Will you prots make up your minds!
87 posted on 12/10/2014 12:23:21 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Tired of Taxes
You know what? As a protestant, I consider Catholic Christians to be my brothers and sisters in Christ; too.

But they sure are carrying a LOT of extra baggage along with them.

88 posted on 12/10/2014 12:24:18 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We call her Blessed.

She prophesied that we would.

You call her a LOT more than that!

89 posted on 12/10/2014 12:25:44 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
As a protestant, I consider Catholic Christians to be my brothers and sisters in Christ; too.

Wesleyans getting more ecumenically liberal lately? That would be news to my wife.
90 posted on 12/10/2014 12:27:51 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"A lovely scene is before us: the last being first, the humble one being exalted by her Savior, her Son."

Evidently, as much as Catholics would like to honor Mary, the fact remains that she required, as you noted, a Savior...and thus was simply a human sinner like the rest of us. This unavoidable conclusion makes veneration a tragic, overworked error on Rome's part. Sorry.

91 posted on 12/10/2014 12:28:38 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Resettozero

We HAVE no minds.

We merely aRE REPEATING WHAT (wanna buy a CAPSLOCK key?) our heavily laden Catholic Brothers are saying.

Some seem to think that this new one they’ve gotten is of the latter category.


92 posted on 12/10/2014 12:29:40 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero
Some seem to think ...

Dang!

I've promised myself NOT to be my own straightman...


We Prots get lumped into the vast mass of 'every man his own pope' of Protestantism.

It seems to me that Catholics are allowed to be be...


...every man(woman) their own ANTI-pope!

93 posted on 12/10/2014 12:32:26 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
...our heavily laden Catholic Brothers...

It is true. Unnecessary, yet true.

Hey caths!... Take a load off!
94 posted on 12/10/2014 12:37:01 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Mrs. Don-o
She's being treated as Kecharitomene.

Mary, but not the Christian martyr Stephen, also "full of grace".
95 posted on 12/10/2014 12:42:39 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I suspected a lapsed Catholic. I’ll lite a candle for you at Mass. God bless you.


96 posted on 12/10/2014 12:47:18 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: Resettozero
Oh yeah!

We got a WOMAN running things now!

http://www.wesleyan.org/joannelyon

 

In other news... https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/12/10/wesleyan-bring-back-controversial-hummus-brand

 

97 posted on 12/10/2014 12:51:38 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NKP_Vet

“I suspected a lapsed Catholic. I’ll lite a candle for you at Mass. God bless you.”

Not a lapsed Catholic. A fulfilled Christian!

Have you considered that lighting a candle is a pagan practice? Do you really believe the candle has any spiritual value?

“God bless you.”

God bless you NKP!


98 posted on 12/10/2014 12:54:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Elsie

Still not worship. Thanks for trying. Each time you post it just confirms I was right.


99 posted on 12/10/2014 12:56:27 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Resettozero
Wesleyans getting more ecumenically liberal lately? That would be news to my wife.

Well, I don't know about that, but there IS a local church who is MUCH more diverse.

They've invited a mostly black congregation to worship, using the same facilities, and also a Hispanic one that meets in the fellowship hall as well.


They says there's no need to let the buildings set empty when the Lord's work can be getting done.

The mostly white original congregation is getting older, the demographics of the neighborhood is changing and these other worship teams can reach people that they would not be able to reach.

100 posted on 12/10/2014 12:57:19 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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