From the column:
...When ushered into the master bedroom of the Mormon patriarch Brigham Young at his winter home in St. George, Utah, a few years ago, I felt duty-bound to ask an obvious question: Where did the other women sleep? Other women? The church tour guide blushed, and laser-stared me as if I’d blasphemed the Mormon Moses. I wondered about arrangements and jealousies, the conjugal timing of a man who was married to 55 women, by most accounts. I didn’t ask about the sexual acrobatics of the great pioneer, just the spreadsheet logistics of managing all those spouses.
(Indeed. Sounds like that without computers, A Master Control Tower for Brigham's bedroom should have been constructed).
Oh...and for those who embraced the myth that polygamy enhanced "large families" ... that just "ain't so." At least from historical studies comparing women who had sanctioned promiscuous husbands (polygamists) vs. wives whose husbands were monogamous. Studies have shown that the average number of children per mom was reduced by one child for those in plural-union arrangements.
Take Brigham Young, for example...55 wives...but only 57 kids...Essentially one child per mom...hardly even close to the 19th-century "average."
To: All
From the column:
...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...has had a particularly hard time reconciling its radical founding principles with its white-bread contemporary image. Imagine Mitt Romney with a harem, and you have some idea of the kind of men who planted a new church in the West. So, it’s been fascinating to watch the reaction to the acknowledgment last month by Mormon leaders that Joseph Smith...took as many as 40 wives. Some...women were also married to other men. One of his brides was a 14-year-old girl, or as church officials put it in an essay, she was “sealed” to Smith “several months before her 15th birthday.” Well, that changes everything. Smith...came to his decision only under duress, the church explained: A sword-wielding angel forced him to take up a life of sanctioned promiscuity...And there was a creepy grooming aspect in how the Mormon founder picked his brides. Mary Elizabeth Rollins was 12 years old when Smith told her...God had commanded him to take her as a plural wife, according to the author Linda King Newell. She later married him at 23, wife No. 9... Remember when Mitt Romney tried to explain how his ancestors came from Mexico?...In fact, they were sexual fugitives...* Smith marrying women -- as in the double digits -- who were ALREADY married (& remained married to these other men)
* Smith marrying a 14 year old
* Smith "grooming" a 12 year old to become his wife #9.
To: Colofornian
3 posted on
12/09/2014 3:52:58 AM PST by
samtheman
To: All
From the column:
...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...has had a particularly hard time reconciling its radical founding principles with its white-bread contemporary image. Imagine Mitt Romney with a harem, and you have some idea of the kind of men who planted a new church in the West... Remember when Mitt Romney tried to explain how his ancestors came from Mexico?...In fact, they were sexual fugitives..."Sexual fugitives" indeed!
Many Mormons either moved to Mexico so that the polygamous lifestyles could be lived beyond the reach of authorities...or, as B. Carmon Hardy outlines in his book, Solemn Covenant: THE MORMON POLYGAMOUS PASSAGE...many Lds would head to Mexico to have an additional plural wife sanctioned by the Mormon Church...and the trip would "double" as a yet "another" honeymoon for the polygamist.
If you want to get the "skinny" on historic Mormon polygamy, I'll mention two books in the next post -- two books, which, coincidentally, were mentioned in a Salt Lake Tribune article that ran the same day as this article (Dec. 2, 2014).
To: Colofornian
A man who can juggle 55 wives must be quite a diplomat.
8 posted on
12/09/2014 4:05:05 AM PST by
iowamark
(I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
To: Colofornian
Kristy Money, a psychologist who works with sex offenders and is a Mormon in good standing...So wait, Kristy is a psychologist, and presumably college-educated, and she believes, among other things, that the Nephites are one of four groups (including the Lamanites, Jaredites, and Mulekites) who supposedly settled in the ancient Americas?
It's not just the polygamy that gets me about mormonism. It's the obvious scientology-like-fabrication aspect of their religion that amazes me. How can people with functioning brains accept this tripe?
To: Colofornian
Oh...and for those who embraced the myth that polygamy enhanced "large families" ... that just "ain't so." At least from historical studies comparing women who had sanctioned promiscuous husbands (polygamists) vs. wives whose husbands were monogamous. Studies have shown that the average number of children per mom was reduced by one child for those in plural-union arrangements. Take Brigham Young, for example...55 wives...but only 57 kids...Essentially one child per mom...hardly even close to the 19th-century "average."
I don't know about you, but 55 wives, 57 children, and one husband strikes me as a pretty large family. }8^D
On a serious note, each can draw his own conclusions, but it is, to say the least, pretty sketchy behavior for "men of God"...
12 posted on
12/09/2014 4:10:26 AM PST by
awelliott
(What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
To: All
To: Colofornian
A sword-wielding angel forced him to take up a life of sanctioned promiscuity...
Think I'll try that one on the old lady when I get home tonight...
To: Colofornian
Studies have shown that the average number of children per mom was reduced by one child for those in plural-union arrangements. Take Brigham Young, for example...55 wives...but only 57 kids...Essentially one child per mom...hardly even close to the 19th-century "average."
Yeah, well, you can only stretch the ol' sperm count so far.
To: Colofornian
Smith...A sword-wielding angel forced him to take up a life of sanctioned promiscuity...
________________________________________
Oh yeah...of course...
(SNICKER)
To: Colofornian
These “founders” of mormonISM were pedophiles, adulterers, and all around con men.
Create a new “religion”, and say part of the convent is to bang as many woman and girls as possible.
34 posted on
12/09/2014 7:46:13 AM PST by
svcw
(Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
To: Colofornian
Smith...came to his decision only under duress, the church explained: A sword-wielding angel forced him to take up a life of sanctioned promiscuity...
Polygamy: How it all got Started
Joe: Hey Emma! Guess what!?
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
Emma: WHAT!? You ding bat! Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says? After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
Joe: Books; schmooks. All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
Emma: "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
Joe: Silly Woman! You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
...and the rest is HISTORY...
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
Emma: That's IT! I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
Can't you EVER get straight what GOD tells you???
Doctrines and Covenants 49:16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one a, and they twain shall be b flesh, and all this that the c might answer the end of its creation;
Joe: DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!! Wait!!! I hear a voice again!!!
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57,
Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A
commandment I give unto mine handmaid,
Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for
I did it, saith the Lord, to
aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid,
Emma Smith,
areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and
ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been
afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I
command mine handmaid,
Emma Smith, to abide and
acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this
commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and
will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this
commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an
ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of
beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid
aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to
brejoice.
39 posted on
12/09/2014 10:19:08 AM PST by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian
I don’t see how a man can live with being a disappointment to any more than one woman; that’s all I can take.
52 posted on
12/09/2014 10:31:08 AM PST by
IamConservative
(If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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