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Why Do So Many Churchgoers Have Abortions?
Charisma News ^ | 8/6/2013 | Brian Fisher

Posted on 12/08/2014 4:10:19 PM PST by Morgana

Several months ago, one of my co-workers was speaking with a Christian university campus minister about the issue of abortion, and he dismissed the topic with a wave.

“Abortion isn’t prevalent at our school," he said. "Contraception is widely available, but our students also take sexual purity to heart.”

I was a bit suspicious of his answer, so I spoke with a recent graduate of the same university about her thoughts.

“I suspect one in three women on campus have had an abortion,” she said matter-of-factly. “It may be higher. Christian kids don’t want to deal with the shame a pregnancy brings. So they abort instead of tell their parents.”

Why are Christians aborting their children? They don’t fully understand and accept the gospel. And they aren’t being discipled. They know Jesus and accept Him as Savior but do not know or understand His lordship. They do not know the radical, transformative, awe-inspiring impact of being discipled.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abortion; churches; contraception; prolife
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To: Morgana
The headline itself is obtuse. I find it difficult to believe that any sentient Christian would have to ask. Surveys for decades have shown that Christians have abortions in roughly the same proportion as unbelievers. It should remind us that Jesus came for the sake of sinners, not for saints.
41 posted on 12/08/2014 6:05:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rashputin
What garbage. 95% plus of the people who have an abortion were using some form of contraception,

total nonsense...contraceptives today have to be more than 95% effective....and have been for years.

42 posted on 12/08/2014 6:07:59 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Rashputin
95% plus of the people who have an abortion were using some form of contraception, the vast majority taking oral contraceptives in fact, and it failed them

Speaking of spewing BS...

43 posted on 12/08/2014 6:11:26 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: terycarl

7x70


44 posted on 12/08/2014 6:13:15 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: terycarl
http://contraception.about.com/od/contraceptionfailure/f/Failure-Rates.htm
45 posted on 12/08/2014 6:41:37 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
95% plus of the people who have an abortion were using some form of contraception, the vast majority taking oral contraceptives in fact, and it failed them. People who don't give a damn about killing children with "contraceptives" don't give a damn about killing them with invasive measures either.

hahahaha!!! you're trippin'...

46 posted on 12/08/2014 6:50:07 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Tax-chick
It’s extremely common on FR to find people who are well on in middle age, who profess Christianity, reminiscing about their fornicating years as the best time of their lives.

Well said. Yes, I've seen many such threads here.

47 posted on 12/08/2014 6:52:15 PM PST by thecodont
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To: RobbyS
Those who take birth control are as likely to have abortions, because birth control requires discipline, too. The commonality is the lack of discipline owing to the lack of shame in having sex. There is in fact more shame at being a virgin.The mene is that virginity is abnormal.

that has not been the experience of the gals i have counseled... especially Christians... and having sex outside of marriage was something they wanted to hide... they were not proud of it... they did not want it to be known... therefore, there was no way they could have a baby... i am talking about Christian girls... girls who were involved in church--not just church goers... parents were involved, friends, etc--all involved in church...

48 posted on 12/08/2014 6:56:10 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Oliviaforever; GeronL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAFZ2jyVxVs

AHA Nebraska Church Repent Project

This is a pro life group that protests churches that are Pro choice and support abortion. **warning barf alert**


49 posted on 12/08/2014 7:03:51 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

That rang several bells in my head also


50 posted on 12/08/2014 7:27:21 PM PST by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: Raycpa

Jesus let them, but didn’t He also mention that they sould sin no more? Just curious.


51 posted on 12/08/2014 7:28:45 PM PST by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: Morgana

One of the other reasons I have heard is that often the Christian university’s reactions to a pregnant unwed student is part of the problem.

When a girl turns up pregnant, she is kicked out of the school, and sent home in shame, all her plans and degree demolished, but almost always, nothing is done about the BOY who got her pregnant.

He is not forced to leave the school, he can finish his degree program and sometimes go on into the ministry. His whole life isn’t ruined by the episode.

It’s that double standard again that is so reprehensible.

That girl did not get pregnant in a vacuum. It takes two and yet she’s punished because of the simple fact that she’s carrying the baby. They BOTH committed the sexual sin and BOTH should have the same consequences but it doesn’t happen. But he doesn’t bear the stigma like she does and yet I’ll bet dollars to donuts that the reason they had sex in the first place was HIM putting the pressure on her to do it.

I still don’t believe that in general, the girl initiates sex in a dating relationship. There is too much of the emotional tie in it for girls to take it so lightly.

So, for the girl to not have her life ruined, she will often succumb to the pressure to have an abortion.

And sadly only find out later the true price that is paid when the bill comes due.


52 posted on 12/08/2014 7:45:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Kirkwood

Because I am quoting you...


53 posted on 12/08/2014 8:05:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: chesley; Kirkwood; All

“Sin”... (mean like “go thou and murder no more”?)...


54 posted on 12/08/2014 8:08:01 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: metmom; GeronL

“One of the other reasons I have heard is that often the Christian university’s reactions to a pregnant unwed student is part of the problem.

When a girl turns up pregnant, she is kicked out of the school, and sent home in shame, all her plans and degree demolished, but almost always, nothing is done about the BOY who got her pregnant.

He is not forced to leave the school, he can finish his degree program and sometimes go on into the ministry. His whole life isn’t ruined by the episode.

It’s that double standard again that is so reprehensible.”

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I was just talking about this to someone to night GERRY.

I first heard about a story like that back in the 80’s on “Focus on the Family”. One Christian University had to stop doing just that because they found out the women were getting abortions. Of course they were! Christian Universities were not cheap. If it’s a toss up between loosing all their credits and tuition money and a baby they will get an abortion. Plus like you said the boy was never punished.

I tell you this. I heard a Protestant preacher once say “Don’t chase your daughter to the abortion clinic”. He knew the score.


55 posted on 12/08/2014 8:18:46 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: chesley

Not to Peter in that context


56 posted on 12/08/2014 8:20:40 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: GeronL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysqy-xzuul8&list=UUIX6hNGc0KyeRcUKCLjBc6A&index=21


57 posted on 12/08/2014 9:31:21 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: thecodont; Arthur McGowan; metmom

I often get the impression that the general belief of “the right,” as illustrated by the FR sample, is that both abortion and childbirth are “really” wrong, while fornication and adultery are only “technically” wrong. (It’s just a piece of paper, after all.)

In my opinion, this makes it unlikely that “the right” as a political movement is going to generate many productive ideas to reduce either abortion or out-of-wedlock child-bearing. If you love the cause but bemoan the outcome, you’re going nowhere.


58 posted on 12/09/2014 3:02:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: Tax-chick

I really wish you would refrain from making so much sense. ;) Preach on Sister!


59 posted on 12/09/2014 4:01:39 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Morgana

This article is irresponsible, to begin with.

There’s a lot in it that could be commented upon, but for the moment, at least, I’ll just say that it’s wrong how the author uses the opinions of one “recent graduate” (and to some extent, of the pastor, as well) as if her perceptions can simply be taken not only as representative of the women at this college, but apparently also of all college-educated or even college-aged Christian women. One single former student = all young Christian women.

But even worse than just taking this one woman’s opinion as “gospel,” is that she gives, and he prints, without any words of caution, her numerical estimate of “one in three” of the women, and maybe higher. (And “one in three?” That’s the title of a Planned Parenthood and/or “pro-choice” campaign right now, so was this woman a liberal on the Christian campus?) Such a “statistic,” if retold a few times without the source, can easily be mistaken as coming from an actual poll of the women on this one campus, or even from all Christian women of this age.

Certainly the picture isn’t very good anywhere in North America or Europe, but one person’s perceptions on something like this cannot simply be taken as the truth. And even though she’s anonymous, the question isn’t even asked if she has had an abortion herself (or did I miss that?)

Either way, though, the “statistic” she provides comes from her own life experiences with her tiny circle at college, and the article even says almost nothing about this one woman, and her actual beliefs. But places like Huffington Post are full of articles by or about ex-Christians who grew up Christian, with many even going to Christian colleges, and later saying they were atheist or doubters since they were children.

And, not all “Christian families” are the same, either. Once I became a part of evangelical churches, and began to know other people, and saw so many were parents, I also saw that however strong or weak (and sometimes possibly not even there) their faith was, their children would be influenced in their view of Christianity by that faith (or lack of it) in their parents, all though they were all in the same church.

All in all, this article is highly irresponsible and should not have been published as is. Christian journalism is so often very good, especially in bringing light to what secular journalism has wanted to hide, but this article is a definite exception to that.


60 posted on 12/09/2014 4:19:11 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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