Posted on 11/29/2014 1:25:27 PM PST by piusv
ISTANBUL (AP) — Pope Francis stood Saturday for two minutes of silent prayer facing east in one of Turkey's most important mosques, a powerful vision of Christian-Muslim understanding at a time when neighboring countries are experiencing violent Islamic assault on Christians and religious minorities.
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Just saw my first I love Allah bumper sticker. Took me a moment.
They have to accommodate the churches in some way because they will be using their revenues....and you cannot move the masses without moving their faith....at least with the appearance of unity.
Ok.......
This can be documented.
That constitutes a resonable inference from evidence.
Did Jesus worship in Roman temples?
Rather, when i made my post i assumed this thread was always in the RF based on what i read, and it is perfectly normal us to ping those we mention in a post (and contrary to some opinions, they actually are human beings), and in fact we are told to, and it is only reasonable and courteous to do so.
And there was a valid issue, that of a complaint that the RMs act out of intolerance, "do not tolerate ideas that differ from theirs. " which i do see as absurd and a real issue for debate, and it is that manner of reaction that i see as being childish, not pinging those you mention on a valid issue.
Yet, the Pope reviewed the interview and allowed it to be posted on the official Vatican website; where it remained for weeks, until somebody with an ounce of Catholicism had the sense to remove it.
He makes more sense than most of he catholic posters on this site. He backs up what he says with the Bible which they do not do.
The Scalfari Magisterium of Pope Francis — Vatican Publishing House to Release Pope Interview Book
“...Not a few Catholics have denied so far, that the interviews were part of the papal Magisterium. Pope Francis seems to have always seen it differently. Since the Osservatore Romano has reprinted the interviews and even published them on the website of the Holy See as parts of the papal magisterium, but they were again withdrawn and re-released, there can hardly be any doubt, that Pope Francis according to the collected output of the Vatican publishing house of the statements, the form, the rapid and controversial doctrinal documents, indeed indicates their authenticity as statements of his Magisterium....”
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-scalfari-magisterium-of-pope.html
According to the “modern” definitions, it is the Muslims who “proselytize”, under the threat of a painful of death, their evil religion. Yet, Francis chooses to pray with the evil cultists.
“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958. Pages 153-160.)
“We profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”
-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.
“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated from Fr. Damian Fehlner’s Aquinas on Reasons for the Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians (Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).
“As we have seen, Muhammed had neither supernatural miracles nor natural motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, murders, and bloodshedding, destroying those who did not want to receive it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.
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(Muhammad) can also be figured for the dragon in the same Apocalypse which says that the dragon swept up a third of the stars and hurled down a third to earth. Although this line is more appropriately understood concerning the Antichrist, Mohammed was his precursor – the prophet of Satan, father of the sons of haughtiness.
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Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious bestialities. (Muhammad) did not prove his new sect with any motive, having neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovention of the devil, and the direct way into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a religion.”
-St. Juan de Ribera (d.1611), Archbishop of Valencia, missionary to Spanish Muslims, and organizer of the Muslim expulsions of 1609 from Spain. Quoted in several locations from his 1599 Catechismo para la Instruccion de los Nuevos Convertidos de los Moros (my translation).
“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book, The History of Heresies and their Refutation.
Thank-you
Perhaps the religion of peace could show tolerance and good will and let the Pope say mass in Saudi Arabia
And everyone should know, by now, how Francis has treated the good Cardinal Burke.
Hope your Thanksgiving Day was a blessed one!
These are Catholic definitions. BTW, Fr. John Hardon is being considered as Venerable, if I’m not mistaken.
I was mistaken. Fr. John Hardon is being considered for Servant of God.
Cause of Servant of God Father John A. Hardon, S.J.
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