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This, to me, is one of the most dangerous and incomprehensible things that Pope Francis is doing. He's simply not supporting Christians in the face of Islamic aggression, seems confused about the differences between Christianity and Islam, and his words (or silences) sound like they should be accompanied by a "Coexist" bumper sticker.

The article is worth reading, and also worth knowing is that when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Bergoglio openly attacked Pope Benedict's Regensburg address.

1 posted on 11/22/2014 3:12:26 AM PST by livius
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“Don’t whip them up into any more of a murderous frenzy than they’re already in”. When Pope Benedict just quoted what a Byzantine emperor once said about Islam, the nice Muzzies killed people as a result. But catering to their penchant for evil instead of calling it out just delays it.


2 posted on 11/22/2014 3:23:00 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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The Christian European West barely escaped destruction at the hands of the Moslems. At one point they were stopped near Tours and at another point, later on in time, outside the gates of Vienna. The Church throughout northern Africa was practically destroyed by Moslem power, and at the present hour, the Moslems are beginning to rise again.

Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, Mary and the Moslems, Chapter 17 of The World’s First Love, 1953

We all have seen the true face of Islam - it’s not peaceful - has nothing to do with religious freedoms - and when those attempt to befriend or aid Islam - they become victims and are killed...

So me the progress moslems have made since their inception - not by the slaves forces to produce - not the manuscripts stolen, translated into Arabic where the originals were then burned - not the inventions created by other civilized people that were taken over and forced to convert...exactly what original concepts that have advanced mankind forward, not backwards - show me one thing...

I fully understand why banks in the US deal with Middle Eastern investors - because they want to make money - an in turn these Sharia - terrorist financing Arabs turn those profits around and spin up insurgents groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS - and to what end does making money trump the lives of the military men & women who asked to fight wars with restrictions - to build infrastructure only to seen it destroyed - and establish school where education is a sin, not a common task.

The Pope had better get his head in the fight and make right with Christ - because Islam is the counter to Christianity - this war is one of Good vs Evil...and recently we have seen the true face of evil!


3 posted on 11/22/2014 3:39:37 AM PST by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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Yeah well my Protestant pastor doesn’t stammer...


4 posted on 11/22/2014 3:54:06 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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It lends a modicum of credence to the theory of islam being a Roman creation to oust the Jews and Copts from Jerusalem.


7 posted on 11/22/2014 4:02:58 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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The analogy to the rise of Nazism and the policy of appeasement by those who did NOT want to fight another War is overused.

However, I suggest there are aspects of this analogy that are truly instructive.

The first is that not wanting to fight another major war was and is an entirely logical POV. So was the attempt to prevent one by addressing the quite genuine and legitimate grievances of the German people. It simply was not self-evident in 1933 or 1936 that Nazis could not be appeased, that their drive towards world dominance was inherent.

This inherent drive corresponds quite nicely to the similar drive of Islam, at least in its “political” incarnation. Except there’s a lot less excuse for those who refuse to see it today. Islam’s drive is openly proclaimed, and has been for almost 1500 years. It went underground for several centuries, but now it’s back.

The other issue is not of intent, but of capability. The Germans in 1933 were quite capable of building a military machine capable of conquering the world, as they indeed demonstrated by building one in about five years that came remarkably close to doing exactly that.

This was because in 1933 the Germans were as advanced technologically as any nation on earth. Indeed, they were arguably the most advanced in a great many areas of culture and science.

One simply cannot say the same about the Muslim world. If the rest of the world were to stand still, Islam might catch up in perhaps 50 years. Maybe. But of course the world won’t stand still, and so they are arguably falling farther behind, not catching up.

The notion of Muslim countries innovating militarily or technologically so as to outstrip us is just laughable. And their inability to do so is as inherent to their culture as is their desire invade, conquer and occupy the rest of the world.

Their only true military advantage is our unwillingess to destroy them. That’s not how you conquer the world.

To sum up. Islam (and many Muslims) has the same intent and drive to conquer the world as the Nazis did.

But their capability to do so is, by comparison, nonexistent. They are therefore no military threat in any strategic sense of the word.

It’s also relevant to note that recent advances in alternate ways of tapping energy reserves is steadily reducing the strategic importance of Muslim lands.


14 posted on 11/22/2014 4:25:11 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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This, to me, is one of the most dangerous and incomprehensible things that Pope Francis is doing. He's simply not supporting Christians in the face of Islamic aggression, seems confused about the differences between Christianity and Islam, and his words (or silences) sound like they should be accompanied by a "Coexist" bumper sticker

Exactly what sort of activism would you say the Pope has to engage in? What is his real purpose? What is the real purpose of the Catholic (or other Christian) religion?

15 posted on 11/22/2014 4:50:39 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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::sigh::

The false teaching of Vatican II is the reason why the post-conciliar church responds to Islam the way they do. This is not just about Francis. I wish all the pro-Benedict folks would wake up and see that he isn't all that different when it comes down to it. Subsequent to the Regensburg address, he apologized for offending the Muslims and then prayed in a mosque with them:

"I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

"These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with mutual respect."

16 posted on 11/22/2014 5:45:57 AM PST by piusv
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This is distressing. This new Pope is incoherent at best.


17 posted on 11/22/2014 5:55:16 AM PST by Mamzelle
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From what I have been reading and hearing, I have to wonder if maybe this Pope shouldn’t have been called “Peter the Roman”.


19 posted on 11/22/2014 6:43:01 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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muslims never invented a damned thing but misery.


20 posted on 11/22/2014 6:50:37 AM PST by onedoug
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This, to me, is one of the most dangerous and incomprehensible things that Pope Francis is doing. He's simply not supporting Christians in the face of Islamic aggression, seems confused about the differences between Christianity and Islam, and his words (or silences) sound like they should be accompanied by a "Coexist" bumper sticker.

Since his election, he has been busily undermining St. JP II's efforts to suppress liberation theology. Perhaps a certain sympathy with the leftist-Muslim political alliance which is gaining increasing momentum in the West could be at the root of his seemingly incomprehensible behavior.

21 posted on 11/22/2014 6:54:16 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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He’ll say that Muslims are a peaceful people, sharing the same God as we do and requesting they be allowed for Holy
Communion.


24 posted on 11/22/2014 8:22:11 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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