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The Heavenly Elements of the Liturgy
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 11-09-14 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/10/2014 7:20:24 AM PST by Salvation

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To: stonehouse01
I think the Book of Revelation is just that...a revelation. It's about the forces of good and the forces of evil. It's a glimpse of what heaven is like. A peek at what happens after we die. It was written during a time a persecution of Christians by Rome, and God was saying for us not to lose faith, and He wanted to reveal to us what our reward would be like.

...and death shall be no more.

61 posted on 11/10/2014 4:39:11 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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Deep and meaningful place marker


63 posted on 11/10/2014 6:32:19 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: NKP_Vet
Your ancestors, if they were Christian, were Catholic before the reformation

I prefer to think of them as being Orthodox before the Great Schism.

64 posted on 11/10/2014 6:41:58 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Salvation
I am not misinterpreting the Book of Revelation. Why are you saying this?

Because it appears to be true...

Your religion claims Mary had no original sin...You claim she had no pain during childbirth which is based on original sin...

CCC 491, “Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.”

Yet the scripture says,

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Gen. 3:16, "To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.'”

Unfortunately for your religion, to believe that the woman in Chapt. 12 is Mary becomes a contradiction for your religion...Either the woman is not Mary or Mary did not have an immaculate conception...

And that's just on the 2nd verse...So it's easy to see your religion is wrong right from the get-go...And there's a lot of scripture yet to go thru...

66 posted on 11/10/2014 7:20:40 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

There are multiple interpretations of just who the woman is. Could be Israel, could be the Church, last of all, Mary.


67 posted on 11/10/2014 9:11:26 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

Our Heavenly Father uses evil people for good also, so don’t think because he used your denomination for whatever purpose that you are by any means righteous.

Genesis 50:20 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

20 As for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.


68 posted on 11/10/2014 9:58:55 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: NKP_Vet

Almighty God saved his Own Word! I feel so sorry for you that you are so lost in a denomination that you have lost sight that God does his work through all people and doesn’t need any of US.

Daniel 4:35 New International Version (NIV)

35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”

Isaiah 64:6 New International Version (NIV)

6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Acts 17:24-25 New International Version (NIV)

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.


69 posted on 11/10/2014 10:10:12 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: Salvation
There are multiple interpretations of just who the woman is. Could be Israel, could be the Church, last of all, Mary.

Certainly can't be the church...It says,

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

It wasn't the church that brought for Jesus...It was the other way around...

70 posted on 11/11/2014 4:59:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Salvation
There are multiple interpretations of just who the woman is. Could be Israel, could be the Church, last of all, Mary.

But yet your religion demands it be Mary creating that contradiction...

71 posted on 11/11/2014 5:01:49 AM PST by Iscool
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To: steve8714
Gee, it doesn’t mention the praying with hands held or kissy-huggy Sign of Peace.

entirely optional...don't like it??. don't do it!

72 posted on 11/11/2014 4:48:04 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Dutchboy88
They ought to stick to what they do best...child abuse.

your asinine hatred shows....and you obviously don't pay close attention. The incidence of child abuse is much higher in protestant denominations, scouts, public schools than in the Catholic hierarchy....and I make no excuse for any of them.

73 posted on 11/11/2014 4:52:35 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Dutchboy88
there is no transubstantiation, there is no celibacy in the Scripture.

Chrrist was celibate.....Take and eat of this...THIS IS MY BODY...take and drink of this THIS IS A CHALICE OF MY BLOOD WHICH WILL BE SHED FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN....

I guess you think that Christ was just kidding....what a humorist He was, telling them that..........pathetic!

74 posted on 11/11/2014 5:00:48 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Iscool

Wrong


75 posted on 11/11/2014 5:04:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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During the mass, the priest prays that his sacrifice will be accepted as were those of Abel, Melchizedek, and Abraham. 99.999% of the time the priest doesn't believe the first two men ever existed or that the first two sacrifices actually ever occurred, which turns the prayer into a "vain prayer," which is a very serious sin.

On chrstmas eve the celebrant chants a narrative about the birth of J*sus being born so many years after Adam, so many years after the Flood, so many years after the Tower of Babel, so many years after Abraham, etc. He doesn't believe it, but he chants it. I suppose it's sort of a quaint relic.

76 posted on 11/11/2014 5:06:35 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: terycarl
"Chrrist was celibate.....Take and eat of this...THIS IS MY BODY...take and drink of this THIS IS A CHALICE OF MY BLOOD WHICH WILL BE SHED FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN....

I guess you think that Christ was just kidding"

The symbolism of what Jesus did the night before His crucifixion was nowhere near the false, demonic doctrine of transubstantiation, my FRiend. From His remarks, your cultish organization has manufactured the belief that a man in a bathrobe can say some words over a cup and, by his words, turn that wine into the blood of Jesus. Similarly, he can turn bread into the body of Jesus. Even Jesus did not do this...He was sitting right there with them. And, nowhere does it authorize a man to claim any difference.

Further, if Jesus was celibate, that does not in any way direct a man to be celibate. Jesus died for my sins, does that mean I should die for your sins? Please, terycarl, look at the whole story line. We are not told to be celibate. And, frankly, your bizarre group only promoted celibacy after about 400AD. The apostles, including Peter, did not practice this demonic doctrine.

77 posted on 11/12/2014 8:40:22 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: terycarl

...and get the stink-eye from the sheep. The Church hierarchy is counting on traditional Catholics dying out. Then they can make the Rainbow Church over any way they want.


78 posted on 11/12/2014 8:52:15 AM PST by steve8714
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To: Bigg Red
"Oh, dear.

Prayers up for you."

Well, thank you.

79 posted on 11/12/2014 8:56:49 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
And, frankly, your bizarre group only promoted celibacy after about 400AD. The apostles, including Peter, did not practice this demonic doctrine.

The symbolism of what Jesus did the night before His crucifixion was nowhere near the false, demonic doctrine of transubstantiation

Celibacy is entirely voluntary in the Catholic Church....priests take a vow of celibacy if they want to become priests. And your referral to symbolism at the Last Supper is amazing...Christ said the words....consecrated the bread and wine into His Body and Blood and instructed the apostles to "DO THIS" in memory of Me....pretty clear and I see no symbolism there at all.

80 posted on 11/12/2014 7:02:59 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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