Posted on 11/09/2014 10:10:11 AM PST by ebb tide
I can't subject myself to the articles about Pope Francis demotion and exile of Cardinal Burke posted by long suffering Catholic journalists who have been luring our children into adultery and sexual debauchery, but I have been reading the headlines.
I have also been fielding questions from readers who tell me stories about how their relatives and loved ones have put adultery on full throttle, citing the counterfeit deposit of faith Pope Francis has generated with his...I am groping for charity here...statements and actions contrary to Church teaching and obfuscation of teaching.
These journalists have been permitted to use the name Catholic and flourish, while the see of bishops, the majority of which desire to license adultery from their own chanceries, have focused stripping The name Catholic from those who are trying to expose the counterfeit church they have erected within.
If I am reading the tone in the titles of articles on Pope Francis removal of Cardinal Burke written by journalists with long histories of selling sexual debauchery and adultery, they are now claiming Pope Francis agrees with their agenda and is advancing it at the Holy See.
There is no evidence to the contrary.
The Pope's public witness tells a story to our children and the people we love.
That story subverts any Church teaching we have taught in the past and it neutralizes if not renders completely ineffective, any attempt we make to persuade them that celibacy, chastity, Sacramental Marriage until death, Sunday obligation and other explanations in the Catechism about the Ten Commandments in the future.
Our families are now under attack from the sitting Pope.
I have read stories referencing a schism and internal war. I believe even Cardinal Burke referenced the danger of schism under Pope Francis does exist.
The problem with this situation is, it's all going to creep back into homilies and religious education and our Sacred Liturgy, Sacraments and Rites.
Those who have been luring our children away from Church teaching have been declared as holding a true deposit of faith which is being caricatured by Pope Francis as some kind of ignorance of 2000 years of Popes and Saints. They are being invited to promote heresy as church teaching in an effort to help the Pope, who is here to enlighten us of benefits of adultery and memorialize contradicting the Catechism as the practice for salvation.
The sappy silliness of clapping fornication is making its way into former strongholds. Good pastors are getting caught up into it.
The stories written about Cardinal Burke are really about us as the heads of our family and our ability to carry out our vocation to teach the tools for salvation with efficacy.
It's destruction is at hand and I have lost the urge to put up a facade about who is leading that attack.
Trying reading the Pope’s interview on his plane ride back from Rio.
I astonished that you are not familiar with it.
Francis reviewed the interim Sin-Nod report the night before it was published.
My reason for saying that was to cause people to pause and think.
This constant barrage of negative criticism of the Holy Father needs to be judged in light of the Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
These criticisms, are they made in charity? or joy? patience? kindness? goodness? generosity? gentleness? faithfulness? modesty? with self-control?
It seems that many are wildly disrespectful (Frankie, Pope Frank, etc), are impulsive (taking media accounts as Gospel), and are not accompanied by any benefit of the doubt. You see where I am going, right?
While were are counseled in 1Thessalonians 5:21 to test everything, we should be willing and able to make criticism, as an outcome of the testing, in ways keeping with the Fruits of Holy Spirit, above.
These criticisms do not bear the mark of the Holy Spirit. Quite the contrary, they bear the mark of the Evil One.
While people wish to express concern, worry, doubt, etc., the manner in which it is done is inappropriate. In charity, I hope and pray for a return to modesty of criticism, and flight from the Devil. Please consider Matthew 12:33-37.
I did read it. He is referencing paragraphs 2357-2359.
Specifically, in 2358 “They (homosexuals) must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Is any man called to judge another? By this, I am not discussing the judgement of actions, which we read in 2357, “...”homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law.”
He takes it a step further and says: “The problem is something else, the problem is lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic lobby.”
Who judges souls? We examine our souls, and with a well-formed conscience, find ourselves guilty, everyday. Our Lord is the ultimate judge, but is tempered with oceans of mercy. While we may judge actions, we may not judge either hearts or souls.
I am sorry that is what you experienced. I did not, in 10 years of Catholic school with Dominican sisters, Sisters of Mercy, and Sisters of Charity. Our parish was manned by Carmelite priests.
Abortion was taught as the great sin it is. I remember first hearing about it in 7th grade. We had an class assembly with a pro-life couple, discussing Roe v. Wade and the Church’s teaching.
I was very active in the parish, regularly serving the altar, including funerals and weddings, and not once did I ever see, hear, or suspect any wrong doing, and through today (over 40 years), not a single complaint have I heard.
While we should definitely be wise as serpents, let us not forget to also be simple as doves.
No, read the portion of the interview where he entertains giving Holy Communion to adulterers; he even mentions possibly emulating the Orthodox.
Yes, he may have read it. So what? It was a record of what happened in the Synod. The Synod was not some smoke-filled back room, with all proceedings held in secret.
Sure, what was released was troubling, a little less troubling with a proper translation. However, what came of it in the final document, was vastly different.
It is good we are informed some bishops are not orthodox on certain issues. It is good to discuss it, call it out, and demand the teachings of the Church be reiterated and taught.
What planet were you on? The Sin-Nod debates were held in secret.
No, it was not a record of what happened. It was an outright falsification which the true Catholic bishops righteously denounced as soon as it was published.
I am glad for you.
What we do know is that the majority of bishops, and the Pope, but not the ⅔'s quorum, are not orthodox. Francis ordered the vote tally published to push his and Kasper's agenda.
What we don't know, however, is the names behind each vote.
While the voting was held in secret, everything else was public.
My point was that whole thing wasn’t some secret cabal where novel doctrine was created and then rubber stamped by the Pope.
Actually, what he said was this:
“About the problem of Communion to those persons in a second union, that the divorced might participate in Communion, there is no problem. When they are in a second union, they can’t.”
Seems pretty clear to me.
He goes on to say:
“I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the entirety of pastoral care of marriage. And for this it is a problem. But also... a parenthesis, the Orthodox have a different praxis. They follow the theology of economy, as they called it, and they give a second chance, they allow it. But I believe that this problem, and I close the parenthesis, must be studied in the framework of marriage pastoral ministry.”
It is a problem. A real problem. What happens when a person divorces and remarries, and then realizes with clarity of conscience how wrong it is? They wish to receive all of the sacraments, but are precluded. I think he is right to recognize it, and be willing to talk about it.
It is an objective fact that the relatio post disceptationem bears the mark of the Evil One. The statement regarding homosexual unions -- "mutual aid that constitute precious support in the life of the partners" and the proposal by the "serene theologian", Cardinal Kasper, that adulterers receive Holy Communion -- clearly contradict the Gospel and the perennial teachings of the Church. Charity demands that the truth be told. The supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls, and the salvation of souls is endangered by the lies spewing from the pits of hell through the auspices of the Pope and those bishops who also subscribe to the Kasperian view. Certainly we need to pray for those who exercise power in the Church, but we also need to expose the wolves, lest the little ones fall prey to their errors.
"Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils"
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness, He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words"
I don’t have any doubt that the Holy Spirit is involved. What I object to is the superstitious belief that the Pope is always the “best man for the job,” or “God’s choice.”
Specifically: the notion that criticism of the Pope’s words and actions is practically blasphemy BECAUSE “the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope.”
There is NO basis for this belief in the Church’s teaching.
The Pope’s authority flows from his being the Bishop of Rome, which makes him the Successor of Peter, not any supposed intervention of God in the process by which he becomes Pope.
I think we are in agreement, though your presentation is more clear.
OK, so this is good stuff. Well done!
Cardinal Kasper is so far off the mark, it is good Cardinal Burke and his 4 colleagues wrote their book.
Keep praying, but never give up hope!
Yes, of course, mortal sin is always a real problem. That doesn't mean the Church should encourage such sinners to be comfortable in their sins.
I don’t think anybody did encourage sinners to be comfortable in their sin.
The Pope said “About the problem of Communion to those persons in a second union, that the divorced might participate in Communion, there is no problem. When they are in a second union, they can’t.” As I said before, that is pretty clear.
He also says, regarding second marriages, “I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the entirety of pastoral care of marriage.”
He goes on for several paragraphs about it being discussed, but always coming back the pastoral care of marriage. Protect marriage first, and help the sinner get back on track.
Did I miss something?
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