Demonic and Ungodly Names in the Book of Mormon 3 [The OTHER WORLD series]

LifeAfter.org ^ | Jan. 11, 2014 | Michelle Grim

[svcw]

Once again NOT anti mormon, exposure of mormonISM.
Not quite sure why that concept in so difficult to understand.

[svcw]

Really?
Two things you are deflecting the post or you might fear this is what Romney believes, either way thus post is not about the election

[svcw]

Your faiths founding fathers started polygamy?
Interested in, what your faith is.

[Gamecock]

“they just drift happily and contentedly along”

A factoid: Utah has the highest depression rates in the country.

[svcw]

Then you really don’t know mormonISM, it appears

[Resettozero]

A factoid: Utah has the highest depression rates in the country.

The Mormons I know have moved far away from Utah, and now that I think about, some aren't really practicing Mormons any longer, it appears. But they're doing well now anyway.

When I was in my late teens and early twenties, Mormons had the prettiest daughters. Sweet as pumpkin pie. Never dated one though.

[Resettozero]

Then you really don’t know mormonISM, it appears.

It would appear you are partially correct. But I know enough.

[Resettozero]

I think you missed my punchline.

[Resettozero]

I overlooked responding to your post to me; not intentional.

Sure hope you don’t think I’m disagreeing with you; I’m not.

[Elsie]

Looks like I failed to include what I was responding to:

1 Corinthians 5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?

It also appears my 'no' was a bit incorrect.

Let me try again...

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There were TWO questions in the Scripture: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?

This one prompted all the bible verses.

do not ye judge them that are within?

Of course; the answer here is 'yes'; but it does NOT eliminate the Judging of false doctrine and false teachings; no matter WHERE they are found.

[Elsie]

Didja try the MUFFINS?

[southernmann]

That’s good to info. Thanx

[southernmann]

Good to know. Thanks

[southernmann]

Sure Ok

[OKSooner]

All that is not forbidden is mandatory... and vice versa.

[Utah Binger]

I live here but somebody has to do it....

[ravenwolf]

Of course; the answer here is ‘yes’; but it does NOT eliminate the Judging of false doctrine and false teachings; no matter WHERE they are found

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I am not disagreeing on that point, if I was I would be more of a hypocrite than what I am just by being here, it is just that I believe the people`s first obligation in judging should be their own Church.

Jesus said ; you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

I believe it is his words preachers should be preaching instead of their own.

It also appears my ‘no’ was a bit incorrect.>>>>>>>>>

Sorry, you don`t get no medal there as any one can do that.

[T. P. Pole]

I think I did not explain myself well. Of course, I was not intending my comment to be a discussion point, so I did not try to explain myself well.

I will try now (and as I review what I have written, have probably failed again).

I was trying to say that I understand those that discuss Mormonism from a dissenting point of view. That is because I agree that the most important thing is our relationship with Christ.

Where I disagree is the claim that Mormonism is a threat to our relationship with Christ. Obviously I feel that my relationship with Christ is strengthened through Mormonism, and others (I assume you included) feel that Mormonism is a cult and therefore threatens this relationship. And while I disagree with you on that, I understand where you are coming from, and respect that. I see it no differently from our missionary efforts - we feel we have something very important to share. Something that will save others’ souls. I am thinking that you guys feel the same way. That your efforts are an attempt to save souls.

What I don’t respect is that there are some here that seem to feel it is ok to lie about Mormonism. We certainly don’t hear the “horns on their head” type of stuff anymore, but we still hear things like not worshiping Christ, or not celebrating Christmas or Easter, or claims about what is or isn’t in our scriptures.

Sometimes the mis-statements are made in error, or are presented as opinion. For example, up-thread you said ‘tithe — what Lds reference as the “Law of consecration”’ Technically that is not true. I trust you were not intentionally lying, but that you were copying something that had that error already in it. And in the end, it really doesn’t change the point you were trying to make - that there are a lot of “rules” in Mormonism.

Other times things are misrepresented or stated out of context, sometimes it appears intentionally, sometimes in error. For example, the claim that Joseph Smith is who approves our admittance into heaven. Again, technically that is not true, but explaining that completely would take pages. In short, we feel the leaders of each dispensation will testify as to what law was binding at that time (for example, sacrificing animals versus faith/baptism). That doesn’t mean that Moses or Joseph Smith will judge us or admit us to heaven. Christ still judges us. Like I said, it would take pages to explain that well.

I also recognize that these misstatements or misrepresentations happen on both sides of the discussion. And I trust that most of these are unintentional or innocent. But there are some that clearly repeat falsehoods, even when corrected.

You mention multi-tasking. It doesn’t take much to look at the profiles of some of the posters here to see that nearly 100% of their posts are on anti-Mormonism threads. One can start to understand why some folks would use words like “obsessed” to describe them. Certainly there is little evidence that these 100%ers give any thought to anything outside of Mormonism. Maybe they do in their personal life, but they don’t show any sign of that here.

To me it becomes a difficult issue. There are times I would love to be able to remove myself from the main-stream world and just live with my family somewhere where the outside would not intrude. But at this time I am living in a small city, working, and trying to raise my kids and teach them what the important things are. And so I accept that I have to follow the “in the world but not of the world” idea.
Raising my family is easier if I don’t have to worry about their physical security, etc, and I have taken steps to remove some of the things that would harm them. I also feel that it is one of the purposes of government to provide some of that defense, and see that constitutional conservatism (with a touch of classic libertarianism) gets us closest to that. Hence my visits to this website (and others).

We talk in our faith about the gospel being like keys on a piano - there are lots of “notes.” We “label” some of those keys - faith, baptism, scripture study, service, family history, missionary service, etc. And we joke about folks in the church that are one-note members. Their whole life is family history, or food storage, or whatever. Just banging that one note over and over, at the neglect of the rest of the gospel.

As for me, my relationship with Christ is my highest priority. I strive every day to become more like Him in an attempt draw closer to Him. And to teach my family how to come to Christ as well. And, hopefully, over time, the rest of the world, too.

[Elsie]

I respectfully ask that you post NO MORE of these pictures; as they offend me.

(They create great LUST in ELSIE.)

--Mrs_Elsie(Remember... I know where you live; too!)

[Colofornian]

Sometimes the mis-statements are made in error, or are presented as opinion. For example, up-thread you said ‘tithe — what Lds reference as the “Law of consecration”’ Technically that is not true. I trust you were not intentionally lying, but that you were copying something that had that error already in it. And in the end, it really doesn’t change the point you were trying to make - that there are a lot of “rules” in Mormonism. Other times things are misrepresented or stated out of context, sometimes it appears intentionally, sometimes in error. For example, the claim that Joseph Smith is who approves our admittance into heaven. Again, technically that is not true, but explaining that completely would take pages. In short, we feel the leaders of each dispensation will testify as to what law was binding at that time (for example, sacrificing animals versus faith/baptism). That doesn’t mean that Moses or Joseph Smith will judge us or admit us to heaven. Christ still judges us. Like I said, it would take pages to explain that well. I also recognize that these misstatements or misrepresentations happen on both sides of the discussion.

Ironic...that in the name of attempting to call out mischaraterizations on my part, you wind up engaging in misrepresentations yourself.

Example: You mention multi-tasking. It doesn’t take much to look at the profiles of some of the posters here to see that nearly 100% of their posts are on anti-Mormonism threads. One can start to understand why some folks would use words like “obsessed” to describe them. Certainly there is little evidence that these 100%ers give any thought to anything outside of Mormonism. Maybe they do in their personal life, but they don’t show any sign of that here.

Just earlier this month, posted three Islamic threads:
* Is Islam a destructive force in the world? [O'Reilly] (Oct.7, 2014)
* Professor at Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome-Islamic State not un-Islamic model is.. (Oct. 7, 2014
* (a third early October one was taken down by a mod...probably for a good reason...perhaps it was the source or the way I excerpted it)

And yet you implied that I don't take on both Islam & Mormonism.

Obviously, I'm not go to the mat posting Islamic threads on the FR site...I mean...c'mon...how many FR Muslims are there, after all?

As for "misrepresentations" on both sides...I at least attempt not to misrepresent what other FReepers have said.

Based on your post above, I don't believe you can now make the same claim.

If people are off-base to an nth degree about some "ism," obviously we all allow a slim margin of error.

When you start making your misrepresentations personal ones, I don't think that should stand as is without revisitation. I think you need to take a step back. And consider apologizing.