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The Crisis That Changed Pope Francis
Newsweek ^ | October23, 2014 | Paul Vallely

Posted on 10/23/2014 6:54:57 PM PDT by ebb tide

He was not what she was expecting, in several ways. The man who would one day be Pope Francis had come to hold a service far from the grandeur of the great cathedral of Buenos Aires

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francis; thirdcommandment
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The woman looked at the prince of the Church and apologised to him for the fact that her son, amidst all that, had stopped going to Mass. The man, who as Pope was to take the name of Francis – the great saint of the poor – looked into her eyes as though she were the only person in his world. “But is he a good kid?” the priest asked.

“Oh, yes, Father Jorge,” she replied, eschewing the grander titles of the cardinal archbishop. “Well,” pronounced the prelate, “that’s what matters.”

1 posted on 10/23/2014 6:54:57 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus; Wyrd bið ful aræd; Arthur McGowan; NKP_Vet; nanetteclaret; ...

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2 posted on 10/23/2014 6:56:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
More than half of the Catholic church’s leaders voted for changes – in attitudes to gay and divorced people – in harmony with the approach of the new pope. But a minority of conservatives prevented the changes from receiving a two-thirds majority. It seems that Francis has some way yet to go to bring the whole Catholic church into line with his new inclusive approach.

Newsweak *hearts* Frances.

3 posted on 10/23/2014 6:57:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: ebb tide

Fifteen posts and you still won’t answer my question?

Are you afraid to answer it?

It’s been at least three days. Are you afraid to answer it? Will you keep ignoring it?

Here’s the question: Are you against making tourists pay to see the Sistine Chapel as is done everyday?


4 posted on 10/23/2014 6:57:54 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; ebb tide

If I were the Rev. Dr. Matthew C. Harrison, I’d be smiling.


5 posted on 10/23/2014 6:59:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: ebb tide

I’m curious. Does the author give the source of that story?


6 posted on 10/23/2014 7:18:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Most of us know more from being old, than from being told.)
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To: ebb tide

Contrast his cavalier advice with that of St. Francis of Assisi’s:

“I conjure you all to show all reverence and all honor possible to the most holy Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ,” St. Francis wrote in his Letter to All the Friars, “in whom the things that are in heaven and the things that are on earth are pacified and reconciled to Almighty God.”


7 posted on 10/23/2014 7:22:17 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: vladimir998

What thread are you on?


8 posted on 10/23/2014 7:22:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Newsweek is lying after the fact. The "rejected" paragraphs represent no change at all; they are NOT the paragraphs from the Relation which caused the "earthquake."

This is the rejected text:

"55. Some families live the experience of having members with homosexual orientation. In this regard, we have dealt with the question of what pastoral care is appropriate to deal with this situation by referring to what the Church teaches: "There is no foundation whatsoever to assimilate or to establish even remotely analogous [institutions], including same-sex unions and the plan of God for marriage and the family. " Nevertheless, men and women with homosexual tendencies must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. "In their regard should be avoided every sign of unjust discrimination"

It is totally unacceptable that the Pastors of the Church suffer the pressures in this matter and that international bodies condition financial aid to poor countries [on] the introduction of laws that establish the "marriage" between persons of the same sex.


9 posted on 10/23/2014 7:23:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
A-ha! A better translation:

[55. Some families live the experience of having within them persons with a homosexual orientation. Regarding this, it was asked what pastoral attention is suitable concerning this situation, with reference to what the Church teaches: "There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family." Nevertheless, men and women with homosexual tendencies must be welcomed with respect and gentleness. "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Considerations regarding proposals to give legal recognition to unions between homosexual persons, 4)]

It is absolutely unacceptable that the Pastors of the Church suffer pressure on this matter and that international organizations condition financial aid to poor Nations upon the introduction of laws that establish "marriage" between persons of the same sex.

10 posted on 10/23/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ebb tide

Newsweek doesn’t recognize God.

God’s directive, including the statement that sodomy is an abomination, means nothing to Newsweek or the people who own it or work there.

I do not believe that Pope Francis would say homosexuality is acceptable to God, or to Roman Catholicism in general.


11 posted on 10/23/2014 7:28:11 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: ebb tide
I ask because Google turns up no such story anywhere, except in Newsweek and the various blogs and aggregators (including Free Republic) which are quoting or reprinting Newsweek.

Who knows, it's even possible it's true. (And whether it's complete is another question. The Pope didn't even take a breath? Didn't add, "We'll get him back to Mass. There's no safe place in this world, except in Christ"? Never said another word about "He needs the Lord, so we must pray for him that he makes a deep connection to our loving Jesus and His Church"?)

If so--- if he never said another word about the kid's desperate spiritual needs --- it would be pathetic. That endangered kid needs Our Lord in the Mass and the Eucharist far more than any power on earth to save him from the squalor and sin of his surroundings.

But it's funny that such a poignant story exists noplace else in cyberspace. It makes me wonder.

12 posted on 10/23/2014 7:29:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Most of us know more from being old, than from being told.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I recommend you contact the author with your question(s).


13 posted on 10/23/2014 7:31:39 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut

St. Francis of Assisi. Now there was a real radical. They didn’t call him the Poverello for nothing. I saw his habit in the museum there. It was all patches stitched together. I don’t know how it survived so long.


14 posted on 10/23/2014 7:36:10 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Rome has refused to refute an adultereress’s claim that Pope Francis told her, in a phone call, to find another Catholic Church to receive Holy Communion.

Rome has acknowledged the call was made, but will not confirm or deny the above claim.

It’s been a long, long time for the Pope to hold his breath on the above issue; especially for a man with only one lung.

Yet, just recently he held a Sin-Nod to push to push the issue.


15 posted on 10/23/2014 7:40:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: vladimir998

Do not badger another Freeper by asking him the same question over and over again. That is also a form of “making it personal.” If you haven’t received an answer after asking once or twice, then “no answer” is your answer.


16 posted on 10/23/2014 7:41:07 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: SatinDoll
Newsweek doesn’t recognize God.

And Francis recognizes false gods when he rejects four of the Ten Commandments.

17 posted on 10/23/2014 7:43:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

My attitude towards Pope Francis is identical to that of Ann Barnhardt’s attitude.


18 posted on 10/23/2014 7:53:52 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Who knows, it's even possible it's true. (And whether it's complete is another question. The Pope didn't even take a breath? Didn't add, "We'll get him back to Mass.

I don't know. Did the Pope tell the same thing to Tony Palmer, whom he discouraged from converting to Catholicism, yet ordered him buried as a "bishop" of the Catholic Church?

19 posted on 10/23/2014 7:54:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I assume the story is false - you know, as in ‘fictional’.


20 posted on 10/23/2014 7:56:29 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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