Analyzing Cardinal Dolan's version of: "Who am I to judge?" [vanity]

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Analyzing Cardinal Dolan's version of: "Who am I to judge?"

(A hypothetical but useful word-substitution

exercise)

(Imagine Cardinal Dolan or other prominent Catholic leaders voicing these slightly modified

questions)

         

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

homosexual activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

bisexual activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

adulterous activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

polygamous activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

sadistic activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

masochistic activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

performing abortions?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

performing euthanasia on the elderly or disabled people?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

enabling assisted suicide for the elderly or disabled people?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

prostitution?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

incest?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

bestiality?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

urine-related perversions?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

coprophilia?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

necrophilia?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

'NAMBLA' behaviors and activities?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

pedophilia?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to promote or engage in

priestly sexual abuse of minors?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether it's right or wrong to sin or to promote sinful

behaviors?"

Cardinal Dolan:   "Who am I to judge whether what the Catholic Church plainly teaches about all

these things is right or wrong?"

         

     

Analyzing Cardinal Dolan's version of: "Who am I to judge?"

[Heart-Rest]

In recent months, Cardinal Dolan has been repeatedly offering his own echoing version of the general thrust of the quote attributed to Pope

Francis, "Who am I to judge?"

Do Cardinal Dolan and his fellow bishops (both inside the USCCB and elsewhere), and other prominent Catholic

leaders, believe it is a good or bad thing to discern (judge) what actions and behaviors are sins? Do they believe it is a good idea to discern

(judge) that it is not a good idea for anyone to promote sins and sinful activities and behaviors, in parades or anywhere else? Do they believe

it is appropriate for Catholic leaders to approve of openly active sinners promoting their sinful activities and behaviors during a celebration

of a great Saint of the Catholic Church?

Do they know when Jesus said "Judge not", he was referring to the judgment of the souls of sinners and saints, which will only be done by God,

and He was NOT referring to the judgment of sins and sinful activities, which MUST be judged by EVERYONE if they are to be able to recognize

sins in order to avoid them, and to be able to confess those sins they do commit, and to be able to ask forgiveness for those sins, and to be able to make a good sacramental

confession, (as clearly pointed out by Cardinal Burke and others)? Does Cardinal Dolan really know the meaning of "love the sinner, hate the

sin, and NEVER promote sin"?

[Heart-Rest]

Catholic media entities and personalities (such as "EWTN" and "Teresa Tomeo") continue to feature, support and endorse Cardinal Dolan as a great spiritual teacher for all of us through their media outlets, even though he is now publicly advocating for the allowance of open promotion of mortal sin (active homosexuality) during the public celebration of a Catholic Saint, St. Patrick. Should those media people publicly sever that support for Cardinal Dolan, and stop featuring his Radio and TV programs (like the series he did this year for EWTN during lent)?

For some additional background information, please see the following links (with thanks to the original posters who shared these links first).

• "BREAKING: NYC St. Patrick’s Day Parade Goes Gay - Dolan Cheers!" - ChurchMilitantTV

• "Wicked Bishops" - ChurchMilitantTV

• "As I Have Been Screeching for Years, Timothy Dolan is an Unmitigated Jackass" - Ann Barnhardt

• "When Paul Corrected Peter" - George Neumayr, The American Spectator Magazine    (This Biblical principle also applies to correcting Cardinals and other leaders.)

(Please pray with me for Pope Francis, Cardinal Dolan, the USCCB, all bishops and clergy, EWTN, Teresa Tomeo, the malleable Bill Donohue, and for all of the rest of us.    That should keep all of us busy for a while...)

(I'm also praying that Cardinal Dolan will be reassigned very soon to some cloistered monastery, possibly in a desert in the middle of the Middle East somewhere, or maybe somewhere deep in the jungle, in order to spend the rest of his life in silence and penitential solitude and contemplation for the rest of his earthly days, in prayerful meditation on the meaning and nature of "sin", and "forgiveness", and the meaning of the command, "Go and sin no more".)

In these sad and challenging days, if Cardinal Dolan (along with his fellow travelers) "gets your Irish up", here are a few songs you might want to listen to...

"Hail Glorious St. Patrick"

"Danny Boy"

"Faith of Our Fathers"

[GraceG]

Have you ever been to barnhardt.biz?

You might enjoy some of Ann’s writings..

[FlingWingFlyer]

It sounds as though they are planning a fabulous, adults only, St. Patrick’s Day parade next year. Just don’t take the kids.

[Darteaus94025]

Discernment is not judgement.

IMHO:
If I can read the Scriptures, and they say, for example, that adultery is a sin, then I know, from God’s Word, that adultery is a sin. That is discernment.

If I know that adultery is a sin, and I get angry/reject/hate someone who willfully and repeatedly practices adultery, that is judgement.

So, I can tell the adulterer that he/she is sinning, but I don’t reject/hate/etc. because judgement does not belong to me.

That’s the way I think about it, and it’s harder to put into practice than it is to write about it.

[WayneS]

On the ‘plus’ side, there will be shorter lines at the confessional...

[Heart-Rest]

"Have you ever been to barnhardt.biz? You might enjoy some of Ann’s writings.. "

So far only for that one article about Dolan somebody had posted the link for, but I'll have to check her site out when I get a chance.

[Alex Murphy]

I'll have to check her site out when I get a chance.

You can also try KR keyword: annbarnhardt

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"It sounds as though they are planning a fabulous, adults only, St. Patrick’s Day parade next year. Just don’t take the kids."

It is my understanding that next year, only the one NBC group will be there promoting a homosexual lifestyle, but after that, the floodgates will open up.

[CWW]

I will pray for Cardinal Dolan because he has committed a grove and public error. He failed to stand in the breach when the winds of cultural rot blew strong. Very sad for him and for the Church. But he is just one man and not the whole church.

[Heart-Rest]

"Discernment is not judgement."

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See http://biblehub.com/greek/1252.htm

Strong's Concordance

diakrinó: to distinguish, to judge

Short Definition: I distinguish, discern

[Viennacon]

Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops...

[Amendment10]

Regarding the evil of same-sex sexual relationships which the Holy Bible clearly condemns as evidenced by Romans 1:26-27, please consider the following.

Matthew 18:15-17 shows that Jesus taught how Christians are to confront unrepentant members of congregation, judging them, and then expelling them from the congregation if necessary.

In fact, not only is 1 Corinthians 5 an example of an unrepentant member being expelled from the congregation, but 1 Corinthians 5:12 again instructs Christians that we are responsible for judging other members in a congregation.

[mlizzy]

Cardinal Dolan is showing me how easy it is to succumb, and I worry about my own soul because of it. While I’ll join you in prayer, most definitely, we must all remember to pray for ourselves as well.

[CdMGuy]

As the late great Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen once said:

“WHO IS GOING TO SAVE OUR CHURCH? NOT OUR BISHOPS, NOT OUR PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS. IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE THE MINDS, THE EYES, THE EARS TO SAVE THE CHURCH. YOUR MISSION IS TO SEE THAT YOUR PRIESTS ACT LIKE PRIESTS, YOUR BISHOPS, LIKE BISHOPS, AND YOUR RELIGIOUS ACT LIKE RELIGIOUS.”

With the way that Dolan is behaving, I would not be surprised if Archbishop Sheen awakens from his crypt in St. Patrick’s and asks to be shipped to the Bishop of Peoria.

[Heart-Rest]

"But he is just one man and not the whole church."

Amen!

When a Church leader speaks or acts against the teachings of the Church (such as saying "Bravo!" and "Good for him!" about an actively homosexual football player revealing his sinful choices), that Church leader should be replaced.

Dolan himself replaced Archbishop Rembert Weakland in Milwaukee some years ago, after Weakland's own episodes of speaking and acting against the teachings of the Church, so he clearly knows it is necessary when a situation calls for it.

[Heart-Rest]

"With the way that Dolan is behaving, I would not be surprised if Archbishop Sheen awakens from his crypt in St. Patrick’s and asks to be shipped to the Bishop of Peoria."

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:-)

And then he'll say, "God love you!"

[Heart-Rest]

"While I’ll join you in prayer, most definitely, we must all remember to pray for ourselves as well."

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My thoughts exactly. (I included "and for all the rest of us" at the end of my list of people to pray for, because I know that we all need prayer, especially me. I think it is also especially needed for our prominent leaders, since when they say or do something publicly (good or bad), it has much greater influence, and impacts far more people than when most of us say or do something.)

[Heart-Rest]

"On the ‘plus’ side, there will be shorter lines at the confessional..."

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Yes, they can seal those confessionals up completely, once they eliminate all sins.     :-)

(However, we recently had a very liberal priest tell us that not recycling everything recyclable properly entails a sin that should be brought to the sacrament of confession, and I wouldn't be surprised if he also feels that opposing amnesty for illegal aliens is a sin also, though he hasn't expressed that yet. He may end up inventing a whole new batch of sins, and his own confession line might get long -- but I doubt it.)

[Salvation]

People make mistakes.

They need to be forgiven.