Posted on 08/13/2014 6:50:52 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
1 Timothy 5:17, James 5:14-15, and other verses refer to the (ordained) ministerial priesthood. 1 Peter 2:9 refers to the "priesthood" of the laity. The ministers handle preaching and the Sacraments. The laity simply participate. Scripture makes a strong distinction.ierateuma/hierateuma (lay priesthood, Greek, Strong's #2406) [1 Peter 2:9, Lexicon]
sacerdotium (lay priesthood, Latin) [1 Peter 2:9]
presbuteroi/presbyteros (ministerial priesthood, Greek, Strong's #4245) [1 Timothy 5:17, James 5:14-15, Lexicon]
presbyteri/presbyteros (ministerial priesthood, Latin) [1 Timothy 5:17, James 5:14-15]
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well said
Does the Catholic Church still sell indulgences? If not, score one for Luther.
The early Christians were Jews and the early clergy dressed like Jewish priests. But better yet why not include Eastern Orthodox Catholics, and the Orthodox Church. They’ve been wearing vestments for the last 2,000 years. And while you at why don’t you ask your protestant brother Anglicans and Lutherans why they wear vestments.
There’s nothing unscriptural about vestments. God commanded that they be used in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 28:2:
For your brother Aaron you will make sacred vestments to give dignity and magnificence. You will instruct all the skilled men, whom I have endowed with skill, to make Aaron’s vestments for his consecration to my priesthood. These are the vestments which they must make: a pectoral, an ephod, a robe, an embroidered tunic, a turban, and a belt. They must make sacred vestments for your brother Aaron and his sons, for them to be priests in my service. They will use gold and violet material, red-purple and crimson, and finely woven linen.
We, as Catholics, are commissioned by Christ:
Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
“For your brother Aaron you will make sacred vestments...”
The veil was torn in two. The OLD Covenant system of priests and sacrifices was done away with. Same with the fancy clothing.
The only reason that practice started up again in the early Church was the same reason that the televangelists carry on the way they do: the love of attention, money and power.
Jesus came as a Servant Who washed feet. Anyone not following His humble example isn’t listening.
Not just one. There were plenty of reforms made in the Counter-reformation period that clearly were a response to the complaints of the Protestants.
Whelp...might as well throw out the ten commandments, sodomy and entire OT then. It has nothing to do with the beliefs we adhere too today...
Yea, now we have more churches than anyone knows. And the authority for all these churches is?
James refers to deeds being a result of Faith. Your faith will lead to good deeds not the other way around. If you believe that James was referring to good deeds being equal to salvation then the entire Bible contradicts itself when it says faith alone saves. Faith led Abraham to his deeds of righteousness he/we must have faith first and then the deeds will follow as Christ commands.
If years make a religion right then the Jews has us all beat, so lets all convert they must be right.
Why humble little Self and Self Alone folks who say, "Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them : Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord ? of course.
Exactly what Jude warned against.
“might as well throw out the ten commandments, sodomy and entire OT then...”
Oh, please.
“And the authority for all these churches is?”
Jesus.
There is two Christian Churches, the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. Protestant faiths are not churches. The Reformation ended that.
I cherish that Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek, and now ever lives to intercede for us!
Why do you assume so much, Lurking?
No I make it when I can.
Yes, I see that Alexander VI had planned some reforms but it appears that his papal successors didn’t follow through with his plan. I don’t know if banning indulgences was one of the reforms, it isn’t on the list that I saw.
Alexander VI was a Borgia Pope and his immediate successor wasn’t a fan, although some later Popes didn’t share Julius II’s low view. Wikipedia has this:
Following the death of Alexander VI, Julius II said on the day of his election:
“I will not live in the same rooms as the Borgias lived. He desecrated the Holy Church as none before. He usurped the papal power by the devil’s aid, and I forbid under the pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again. His name and memory must be forgotten. It must be crossed out of every document and memorial. His reign must be obliterated. All paintings made of the Borgias or for them must be covered over with black crepe. All the tombs of the Borgias must be opened and their bodies sent back to where they belong – to Spain.”
The Borgias’ apartments remained sealed until the 19th century.
Jesus built His Church on the rock. That was Peter. The first Pope.
Yes, plenty of mistakes have been made by men in the Church.
But the Church did not fail, as Jesus said it would not. Authority rests with Him.
It would be interesting to see what practices were dropped in response to the Reformation.
That would be a violation of this apostolic directive:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Which is a passage most faithful Protestants/evangelicals know about and honor, because they honor the word of God as the supreme authority in their lives.
Caricature much?
Peace,
SR
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