Francis blessed by Archbishop of Canterbury

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2014/06/francis-bows-his-head-to-receive.html ^

[piusv]

It is not remotely surprising that the Archbishop of Canterbury should desire to bless the Pope of Rome, but the humble attitude of His Holiness in accepting it has caused something of a stir among Roman Catholic traditionalists:

[Mrs. Don-o]

I have observed that some people feel insulted if you say you'll pray for them. (Not always, but often enough so I noticed.) They feel that it's an act of arrogance to give a prayer or blessing; they think the blesser or pray-er is implying that he or she is a spiritual superior, and the recipient a spiritual inferior.

In other words, that the person saying "I'll pray for you" is also saying under their breath, "...you moral retard."

It puzzles me, as I have always felt grateful if a person said they'd pray for me. Even a person of a different religion: I think, "Well, I don't believe as you do, but I know you mean well."

Am I wrong?

[vladimir998]

“Why don’t you try it before you post again?”

I do. Always. That’s why our discussions usually end with you running off. I’m just saying . . .

[ebb tide]

Once again, from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Blessing:
“Since, then, blessings, in the sense in which they are being considered, are entirely of ecclesiastical institution, the Church has the power to determine who shall have the right and duty to confer them. “

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02599b.htm

[ebb tide]

So you don’t accept the Catholic Encyclopedia? Gotcha!

[Legatus]

I said “If the pope gave a pectoral cross to me I’d be pretty certain he was making me a bishop...” not “if the pope gave me a pectoral cross I’d be pretty certain he had made me a bishop...”

Regardless, HAVE MERCY but some people can be condescending

[ebb tide]

How many pectoral crosses have you given or been given?

[Salvation]

Could not prayer come with any of these?

The Spiritual Works of Mercy are acts of compassion, as listed below, by which we help our neighbors with their emotional and spiritual needs.

[ebb tide]

It’s pretty simple and every Catholic knows it.

Coming from you, that's hilarious: telling someone what every Catholic should know!

[Salvation]

Your definition is too narrow.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3170496/posts?page=27#27

[ebb tide]

No. You are wrong and Pope Benedict was wrong in giving a pectoral cross to Rowan Williams.

Two wrong don’t make a right.

[vladimir998]

“So you don’t accept the Catholic Encyclopedia? Gotcha!”

1) Whether I do or don’t is immaterial since the AMERICAN MADE Catholic Encyclopedia is not an authoritative source in such discussions.

2) The definition of pectoral cross in no way precludes it being given to someone as a gift by the pope. He can do what he wants.

Since you want a pope who always lives up to your standards, I suggest you just buy one and continue to live in a fantasy world if that is your thing:

http://www.amazon.com/Pope-Innocent-III-Action-Figure/dp/B0006FU98C

[ebb tide]

Why do you continue to post links to posts in the same thread?

Since when did you and Mrs. Don-o switch “prayer” for “blessing”?

[vladimir998]

“How many pectoral crosses have you given or been given?”

None - which is the same number of visits I’ve had with the pope.

[vladimir998]

“Coming from you, that’s hilarious: telling someone what every Catholic should know!”

As a faithful Catholic - which a sedevacantist can’t be - I am in a far better position to determine what a Catholic should know or does know than any sedevacantist.

Let’s put that to the test: Are you saying Catholics should believe a man is made a bishop when given an object by the pope rather than when actually consecrated as a bishop by him?

[vladimir998]

“No. You are wrong and Pope Benedict was wrong in giving a pectoral cross to Rowan Williams.”

No, I am absolutely correct: giving someone a pectoral cross as a gift does not mean you recognize someone as a legitimate bishop. The pope may have been wrong in giving it to him, but at this point it would only matter to cranks on the internet.

“Two wrong don’t make a right.”

There was only one possible wrong, so your statement doesn’t even make sense.

[ebb tide]

No. You said giving a pectoral cross to someone was no different than giving a rosary to someone.

You are wrong, yet you have to the gall to lecture people on “what every Catholic should know”.

[ebb tide]

Let’s put this to rest: Are you calling me a sedevacantist? If so, prove it.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Following the link, I see that there are many senses of "blessing":

In its widest acceptation this word has a variety of meanings in the sacred writings:

• It has taken in a sense that is synonymous with praise; thus the Psalmist, "I will bless the Lord at all times, His praise shall be always in my mouth" (Ps. xxxiii, 1).
• It is used to express a wish or desire that all good fortune, especially of a spiritual or supernatural kind, may go with the person or thing, as when David says: "Blessed art thou, and it shall be well with thee" (Ps. cxxvii, 2).
• It signifies the sanctification or dedication of a, person or thing to some sacred purpose; "Christ took bread and blessed, and broke" (Matthew 26:26).
• Finally it is employed to designate a gift so Naaman addresses Eliseus: "I beseech thee therefore take a blessing of thy servant" (2 Kings 6:15).

With these various significations it is not the present purpose to deal. Coming, then, to its strictly liturgical and restricted sense, blessing may be described as a rite, consisting of a ceremony and prayers performed in the name and with the authority of the Church by a duly qualified minister, by which persons or things are sanctified as dedicated to Divine service, or by which certain marks of Divine favour are invoked upon them...

So it seems that one may not know from a non-technical account, just what kind of blessing was invoked or intended.

I bless people fairly promiscuously. I admit that. I am grateful for blessings, too: if they were rightly intended, they will do me good; if they were sarcastic or heretical or in some other way defective, they will do me no harm.

[ebb tide]

See Romulus’ post 8. He sums it up perfectly.

P.S. I won’t post a link to post 8, because that’s a stupid thing to do.

[Salvation]

Blessing