Latino Evangelical Churches: A New Reformation?

Church Leaders ^ | Staff Writer

[RegulatorCountry]

Time magazine recently wrote a report on the rise of Latino evangelical churches in the U.S., calling their exponential growth "a signal of a new Reformation," even as they seem invisible to mainstream American culture. The report said Latino evangelicals are one of the fastest-growing segments of the churchgoing population, resulting from the conversion of millions of Spanish-speaking Catholics to Protestantism in the past few years.

[Biggirl]

I stand by my position.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

What is there to "huh?" The statement stands for itself. Far fewer than half of the Mexican population identifies as practicing Catholics. As in, fewer than half the Mexican populace say that they attend mass, receive the sacraments, follow the teachings, or do anything that marks them as a Catholic aside from being baptised. And these are old studies in general. If the indicators are anything to go by, the numbers are even less today.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1200688.htm

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060901122224/http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/print.php?Releases/1997/Dec97/chr121097a

P.S. Do you have links for anything you've said thus far?

[ansel12]

Mexico is about 84% Catholic, down from about 99% at one time, you are claiming that they come here and start becoming majority Catholics, while not having been Catholic in Mexico?

In America it is hard to keep up with how quickly they are leaving the Catholic church, that is why it is difficult to keep up with their numbers here, but we pro-lifers and political conservatives can rejoice at the fact that some of them are switching to Evangelical churches.

More importantly, what is the point of your posts, in a thread about Hispanics becoming more religious and more conservative?

"The report said Latino evangelicals are one of the fastest-growing segments of the churchgoing population, resulting from the conversion of millions of Spanish-speaking Catholics to Protestantism in the past few years."

Thank God, we need to convert democrats to becoming pro-life conservatives, it may save our nation.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

I never said they are majority Catholics either here or there.

And I will say once again, over half of Protestant Hispanics, including Evangelicals, identify as democrat/lean democrat, so apparently they aren't becoming that much more conservative, are they? And I will also say once again, less than 50% of 25% of 14% of the population isn't going to save the nation from anything.

But I don't doubt you'll repeat the line again anyway, regardless of its falsity. Its all you have.

[ansel12]

Actually you have said a number of things, from Mexico being less than half Catholic, to American Hispanics being more than half Catholic.

As far as how Evangelical Catholics vote, I’m not aware that we have those numbers, but we do know that the non-catholic Christian Hispanics as a whole voted 44% republican in 2000, 56% republican in 2004, and 48% republican in 2008.

If you are pro-life and conservative, you should be overjoyed at that news, and hope that they all start becoming Evangelicals and pro-life conservative voters.

I don’t know if you have any interest in pro-life and conservative politics and how this news is terrible news for the pro-abortion left.

[ansel12]

Let’s hope that this can save Texas.

[ebb tide]

...bibles that are annotated with liberal, higher-critical commentaries that insist that the Torah was a late forgery and that Genesis was a rip-off of ancient Babylonian and Canaanite cosmogonical myths."

Care to quote what "bibles" you are referring to? Publisher and editions would be helpful.

[allendale]

You seem to be having a hard time ignoring the image of an angel ripping a two year old child out of the arms of an apolitical, impoverished innocent mother and killing it.

[cloudmountain]

So as Paul put it in Philippians, however the gospel is preached, and whoever is preaching the gospel, I rejoice, so long as it is the gospel.

So do I.

[cloudmountain]

I won’t get into all the pain that I have seen come from mass immigration and what it did to our incomes and jobs and how it destroyed our communities, our culture and our nation, and our future.
So sorry for your pain.

I will point out that converting democrat voters to pro-life republican voters is a good thing.
You are preaching to the choir.

Remember politics? pro-life?, pro-marriage? all those things that we are really at freerepublic to promote and fight for?
Who doesn't remember them? There ARE more than one way to promote and fight. But, you keep on promoting and fighting. It's what you do.

[Zionist Conspirator]

You seem to be having a hard time ignoring the image of an angel ripping a two year old child out of the arms of an apolitical, impoverished innocent mother and killing it.

You seem to have a hard time ignoring the fact that G-d doesn't lie.

I suppose G-d also didn't order the Israelites to exterminate the Seven Nations of Canaan and the `Amaleqites--men, women, children, and animals? I suppose "that's how people thought back then?" I suppose the "authors" of the Bible were stone-age savages who didn't know that G-d isn't a "big meanie?"

Do you also disagree with the Bible's position on homosexuality?

[ansel12]

My pain? The destruction of America of the last 40 years, the erasing of our culture, history, communities , and national identity, and of conservatism and traditional America is a loss to most conservatives, not just me.

If we can convert those democrat voting Catholic Hispanic immigrants to pro-life voting Evangelicals then we can salvage something of our future.

[Jack Black]

If you convert those Democratic voting Catholics to Evangelicals what makes you think they won't still vote their race before their new-found religion?

After all your Black evangelicals managed to vote for Obama at a 95% rate! Maybe it's not the political secret sauce you claim it is.

Meanwhile White Catholics voted for Romney at a 59% rate, true not as high as the 69% rate for White Protestants, but still a good majority.

Pew: How the faithful voted

[ansel12]

Interesting that you found this thread, it’s almost like you followed me to it, like a stalker.

Evangelicals vote close to 80% pro-life conservative, they are the most conservative voters in America, and Evangelical Hispanics can be assumed to be the most conservative Hispanic voters in America.

Your source listed white Protestants, black Protestants, and born again/Evangelicals.

It gave figures of 79%, 73% and 79% for the elections of 2004. 2008. and 2012.

The single church denomination of Catholic, went democrat in all those elections.

[cloudmountain]

If we can convert those democrat voting Catholic Hispanic immigrants to pro-life voting Evangelicals then we can salvage something of our future.

It's as simple as the Democrats promise them something for nothing. The GOP thinks people should WORK for what they want.

"democrat voting Catholic Hispanic immigrants"

1. Hispanic immigrants have to be Americans to vote. THAT takes five years of living here, legally, to even BECOME an American. I hope you aren't assuming that all Mexicans who work here WANT to be Americans. They don't.
What they make here for three months work they can live on for the other nine months in Mexico.

2. THEN they have to REGISTER to vote. Too many American-born folks aren't EVEN registered to vote!

3. To vote folks have to read and write English to register and then to vote.
Foreigners then have to take the American citizenship test, which is in English.
Most Hispanic immigrants don't speak, read or write English very well, if at all. They get jobs that Americans won't do and they do it for peanuts. THAT'S why they get jobs.
Central Americans can't get to the USA because they would have to go through Mexico.
Mexico hands out BROCHURES on how to SNEAK into the USA but their SOUTHERN border would do the former Commies PROUD. NO one from Central American gets into Mexico via their southern border.

4. Just because they are Catholic doesn't mean that they are practicing Catholics, pro- or anti-life. You are relegating ALL of them to one, single mindset. They don't all fit into your tight pegging system...they are as eclectic as any other people.

5. From what I know of Mexicans, they are a fairly conservative people, being from a country with almost no middle class. But then, my father was Mexican, I have dozens of Mexican relatives (in D.F.) and I lived and worked (on a VERY expensive worker visa paid for by American Express' language center) in Mexico City for two years. So what do I know?

My Mexican father didn't have to serve in WWII because he was still a foreigner and was too old (in his 30's). But he enlisted anyway because of his love for his adopted country, went to North Africa (Rommel), got malaria, didn't die, ended up in Italy...and came home.

His surname was a French name as the French family immigrated to Mexico during the French Revolution. (My maiden name is that same FRENCH name.)
From Google: The second French intervention in Mexico (Spanish: Segunda intervención francesa en México), also known as the Maximilian Affair, Mexican Adventure, the War of the French Intervention, the Franco-Mexican War or the Second Franco-Mexican War, was an invasion of Mexico by the Second French Empire, supported in the beginning by the United Kingdom and Spain.

The French had a big part in Mexico.
Side note: the word "mariachi"--the guys who play and sing at festivities came from the FRENCH word, Mariage, that is, MARRIAGE.
French nuns invented "mole" sauce, pronounced MO-LAY. It's a wonderful mixture of chocolate (which the New World had all along) and chiles. Delightful flavor.

My daddy brought us up as 100% American. Why wouldn't he?

I know all my Mexican relatives and they have no ONE mindset. Most Mexicans love their country and want to live, marry, have children and die there. They just don't like being so DESPERATELY poor.
- Mexico has no welfare system.
- Mexico has only a vestige of a middle class. It used to have NO middle class, so I suppose that Mexico has progressed somewhat, especially compared to its poorer southern neighbors.
- There IS a "social security" but it is worthless.
- Their "pensions" are a joke.
- People HAVE to depend SOLELY on their near and extended families.
***The Central Americans call Mexico the "Giant of the north." Poverty is relative.

Mexico, called the GIANT of the NORTH by the even poorer Central Americans (I visited there too.), is poor (by our standards) because of what I call the FOUR "P's."
Politics--corrupt as the day is long
Poverty--too widespread and way POORER than any of our poorest of the poor.
Police--corrupt as the day is long. They pay their police almost nothing and the poor fools have to get their money by being as big a crook as their President.
Pollution--it IS a big better. When I lived there in the early 1970's no one ever saw the peaks of their two volcanoes, Popocatepetl and Ixtaccihuatl. NOW, both volcanoes are visible as the government FORCED in the new smog laws for ALL vehicles and for industry.

[ansel12]

The Catholic vote has always gone democrat, with only 4 and arguably 5 exceptions.

The Protestant vote only went democrat in 1932, and 1936, and in 1964, we see this difference reflected in the Hispanics to a degree, and increasing the Catholic vote is a fundamental part of the left’s strategy, they took California out of the republican column, and they hope to conquer Texas with it.

When supposedly pro-life Catholics are reminded of how Catholic immigration means the end of pro-life, pro-America politics, they don’t seem to care.

The left’s hope for taking Texas and ending chances of having another pro-life president, forever, is based on overwhelming Texas pro-lifers with catholic voters.

It is why JFK worked so tirelessly to get his Immigration Act passed, which it did in 1965.

[cloudmountain]

The Catholic vote has always gone democrat, with only 4 and arguably 5 exceptions.
Since when have they influenced a vote EITHER way since Kennedy--almost FIFTY years ago.

The Protestant vote only went democrat in 1932, and 1936, and in 1964, we see this difference reflected in the Hispanics to a degree, and increasing the Catholic vote is a fundamental part of the left’s strategy, they took California out of the republican column, and they hope to conquer Texas with it.
Since most Americans are Protestant, they are the ones who vote in the winners.

When supposedly pro-life Catholics are reminded of how Catholic immigration means the end of pro-life, pro-America politics, they don’t seem to care.
How can Catholic immigration translate to the END of pro-life politics? That makes no sense. And YOU are usually so full of good sense.

The left’s hope for taking Texas and ending chances of having another pro-life president, forever, is based on overwhelming Texas pro-lifers with catholic voters.
My Texas friends would disagree with you. They are as eclectic about pro-anti-abortion as any one else.

It is why JFK worked so tirelessly to get his Immigration Act passed, which it did in 1965.
Immigrants will work for less...at first.
That is one reason why the California software industry was stuffed with Indians. It didn't last long, though, as it didn't take the Indians too long to figure out who is getting what for work.
NOW, thanks to modern technology those Indians can stay home and work from home in Delhi, Mumbai, wherever, IN India.

The Mexicans are USUALLY the majority of illegal workers because they are right there on the Mexico-USA line and their government ENCOURAGES them to enter the USA illegally for work. Those illegal immigrants have sent BILLION$ of DOLLAR$ home to Mexico...better than their WORTHLESS pesos...being devalued almost daily.

American crop growers WANT those ILLEGALS because they don't have to pay them the continually increasing minimum wages, unemployment insurance, disability, retirement, Social Security, medial, etc.--no frills, no extras, NUTHIN' but cash.

Capitalism: that's the way it's done!

[ansel12]

Amazing, nothing relevant to the facts at all.

[Jack Black]

You say: " Evangelical Hispanics can be assumed to be the most conservative Hispanic voters in America."

But you only assume it, you offer no proof. Got some stats?

My conjecture is more logical. There is a huge difference in voting patterns between White Catholics (59% Romney) and Hispanic Catholics (21% Romney) vote, and there is a huge difference between how White Protestants vote (69% Romney) and Black Protestants vote (5% Romney) your assertion seems completely counter to the available evidence.

You wish to lump all Catholics together, but the statistics don't support you doing that. Catholics have wildly divergent voting based on race, just like Protestants.

If you want to know how someone should vote the first thing you should ask is "what race are they?". If the answer is black they are voting Democratic!! 95% of the time, whether they belong to the Protestant church or the Catholic church.

My claim is that if they are Hispanic they will vote Democratic, pretty overwhelmingly.

In fact the reason that Catholics appear to be more liberal is because they have more Hispanics in the church. If you want more Conservatives you should be opposing more immigration from Mexico and Latin America, regardless of the religion of those moving here.

It turns out religion, without race, isn't a very good predictor of voting.

Here is a good article from American Thinker today on the problems with Hispanic migration: Benedict Obama's Invasion of America

[Salvation]

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