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The Moral and Immoral Both Alienated from God (Celebrating 2000 Threads!)
Monergism ^ | 12/18/2013 | John Hendryx

Posted on 06/09/2014 6:36:17 PM PDT by Gamecock

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But the gospel is neither moralism nor relativism so it is equally offensive to the moral and the irreligious. But Christ calls us to repent of both our good and bad works, for we have no righteousness of our own.

1 posted on 06/09/2014 6:36:17 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; daniel1212; metmom; Larry Lucido; F15Eagle; Elsie

Celebrating 2000 threads started by Gamecock!
Joy to some, source of consternation to others!


2 posted on 06/09/2014 6:39:58 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

Are those fireworks delighting some, or dandelions causing consternation to others?


3 posted on 06/09/2014 7:00:02 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Gamecock

This begs the question of Free will ?


4 posted on 06/09/2014 7:19:45 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...

Great thread topic.

Indeed, it was those in Scripture who appealed to their own good works to whom the Lord will say, “Depart from me, you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.*


5 posted on 06/09/2014 7:34:10 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Gamecock

How do you get a count of your threads or posts? Thanks


6 posted on 06/09/2014 8:20:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
Paul said we are saved by God's grace through faith alone. James said faith without works is dead. Jesus said, "If you love me feed my sheep." "If you would be saved sell your goods and give them to the poor and follow me."

This kind of self-righteous pharisaic sanctimony makes me puke. The Christian Gospel is about the redeeming love and mercy of God. This rubbish has nothing of love in it, it is merely clanging cymbals and sounding brass.

7 posted on 06/09/2014 8:33:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gamecock
"Those who think they have done enough to please God have not understood or considered the seriousness of their condition."

Amen! It is akin to standing on the surface of the sun expecting to cast a shadow.

What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?
Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord
I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee
(2 Samuel 9:8,Luke 5:8,Hebrews 13:5)

8 posted on 06/09/2014 8:56:36 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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We must never glance at what is good in ourselves, much less ponder over it, but we should search out what is wrong and what is lacking. This is an excellent way of remaining humble. -- Saint Vincent de Paul
9 posted on 06/09/2014 9:01:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

A rabbi, a priest and a minister walk into a bar.
The bartender looks up and says, “What is this, a joke?”


10 posted on 06/09/2014 10:43:33 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Gamecock

A little boy was listening to a long and excessively boring sermon in church. Suddenly his eye the red sanctuary lamp caught his eye. Tugging his father’s sleeve, he said, “Daddy, when the light turns green can we go?”


11 posted on 06/09/2014 10:45:11 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: daniel1212

Just click on “Account” at the top of the main forum page.


12 posted on 06/09/2014 11:59:28 PM PDT by deks (Sent from my BlackBerry Q10)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yup. 1 Corinthians 13 came to mind while I was reading your post.


13 posted on 06/10/2014 12:09:09 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation
Isaiah 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Which is exactly why our works do NOTHING to contribute to our salvation. They are worthless, like filthy rags in God's sight.

How can any person think that by adding our own polluted works to the gift of salvation God offers us, it will complete our faith and please God and satisfy Him?

God demands PERFECTION from us, something it is absolutely impossible for us to give Him because everything we do is stained and corrupted by sin.

The Catholic church is doing people a disservice by teaching or even implying that our filthy rags works somehow appease God and count towards our salvation. It's a deceit of the enemy.

14 posted on 06/10/2014 12:16:02 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Gamecock

But the gospel is neither moralism nor relativism so it is equally offensive to the moral and the irreligious.


Good thread.

Many Christians can be moral just because they have no desire to do those things considered immoral, it does not necessarily have any thing to do with faith.

Others try and mostly fail in some way or another, and that is why we need forgiveness.

Proverbs 16
2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.

5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 12:46:22 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: metmom

I don’t know if this is true, but I have heard that the filty rags thing is a softened a bit in the translation.

I heard the literal translation is menstrual rags.

Need to look this up.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 3:30:09 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: ravenwolf

It is easy to look at the one or two areas of my life that I have some small amount of control over and be proud of that. But even those areas fall way short. Andbthat doesn’t even take into consideration the areas where my life is a total wreck.

The rich young ruler comes to mind. Many people take this passage to mean we should give away our money. No. It shows that he had his stuff in order. Except for one small thing.. His false god was his $$$.


17 posted on 06/10/2014 3:34:46 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

Exactly the same here.


18 posted on 06/10/2014 7:06:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: deks

Praise God. I never looked at that. Thanks!


19 posted on 06/10/2014 7:11:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Gamecock
Celebrating 2000 threads started by Gamecock!

So; how many REPLIES to threads have you got?

20 posted on 06/10/2014 11:14:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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