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Publisher of Matthew Vines' 'God and the Gay Christian' Resigns From NRB
The Christian Post ^
Posted on 05/27/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
WaterBrook Multnomah, which has published numerous evangelical bestsellers, has resigned from the National Religious Broadcasters over Matthew Vines' controversial book God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships.
The move comes after it was learned that Christian staff of WaterBrook Multnomah worked on Vines' book, which was published by its imprint, Convergent Books.
A number of conservative commentators have spoken out strongly against Convergent Books' decision to publish the book.
It "is the first step in a larger effort to fundamentally recast long-held, universally acknowledged norms pertaining to sexual ethics," Andrew Walker, director of Policy Studies for the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, has said.
Matt Barber, founder and editor-in chief of BarbWire.com, wrote in an article that Convergent has not only the same head as WaterBrook Multnomah Stephen W. Cobb but also apparently the same staffers and "the same everything else. Convergent is simply WaterBrook Multnomah by another name."
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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: celebratesin; cultureofcorruption; culturewar; homosexualagenda; religion; samesexmarriage; sodomites; waronchristianity
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To: Faith Presses On
Sad... what is needed is more like a “How God can love a Christian out of gayness.”
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posted on
05/27/2014 1:05:11 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Faith Presses On
Now pornography, adultery, and fornication need their apologist studies. </sarcasm>
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posted on
05/27/2014 1:18:16 PM PDT
by
struggle
To: struggle
And don’t forget murder, thievery, and idolatry.
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posted on
05/27/2014 1:36:46 PM PDT
by
milagro
(There is no peace in appeasement!ll)
To: struggle
You’re exactly right!
What’s next? - “God and the Christian Porn star”?
- “God and the Christian Embezzler”?
- “God and the Christian Hit man”?
- “God and the Christian Sociopath”?
...you see, ALL these things are A-okay in God’s eyes... that ‘sin’ stuff is SOOOOOOO .... OLD testament and irrelevant to TODAY’S “Christian”... blah, blah, blah....
To: Faith Presses On
THERE IS NO SUCH THING as
"Gay Homosexual Christians" !
They refuse to believe that
Jesus was also LORD of the Old Testament, that
He did NOT do away with the Law, and clearly states
how to handle homosexuals.
When will people
stop being deceived by
Satan ?
Homosexuals have been
"MARKED" by God and
we have been COMMANDED on how to do
justice to them.
We MUST
OBEY GOD !
People need to
not only read, BUT STUDY this link I especially agree with its last paragraph.
" The Church NEVER can and NEVER will give satisfactionand the homosexualist knows it,
for he knows the words against him are INERADICABLE
to the declared and impenitent homosexual,the person who, through an act of the vermiculate will,has identified his person with a sin,whether HE DEMANDS ACCEPTANCE OF HIS SINthrough "love,"
or VINDICATIONTHROUGH IDENTIFICATION OF HIS PERCEIVED ENEMIES AS BIGOTS.
Whether HE PRESENTS HIMSELF as an object of love or indignation,what HE DEMANDS in either case IS ACCEPTANCEnot of the person,but OF THE SIN-bound and SIN-DEFINED person.
HE DEMANDS the declaration of SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY thatTHERE IS NOTHING OBJECTIVELY DISORDERED about this BINDING OF MAN TO SIN,and ASSURANCE that THIS MONSTROUS AMALGAM can indeed ENTER the kingdom of heaven.
This can NEVER HAPPEN among Christians UNTIL THEY ABANDON Christianity,WHICH IS AT WAR WITH EVERY SIN,and whose indelible constitutionplaces ALL PERVERSIONS of the perfect manAT THE MUZZLE of its canons. "
There will be NO HOMOSEXUALS (
NOT ONE ) in the afterlife.
Homosexuals WILL BE ASHES UNDER the soles of your feet ! ! !
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posted on
05/27/2014 1:46:12 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Faith Presses On
I posted this at their site (o tried to: it didn't seem to go through):
"The Bible never directly addresses, and it certainly does not condemn, loving, committed same-sex relationships." This is a strangely misleading statement. Of course loving, committed same-sex "relationships" are OK. It describes almost all of the relationships in the Bible: fathers and sons, brothers, cousins, Ruth & Naomi, Mary & Martha of Bethany. These were friend and kinship relationships, and did not imply anything about sexual appetite or gratification.
What the Bible condemns is seeking sexual contact outside of man-woman marriage. It's not the "relationship" (if that means friendship or kinship loyalty) that's a sin --- far from it, friendship is good. It's the misuse of the sexual function.
You can certainly have a deep, committed friendship without going for genital arousal. So this use of the word "relationship" is, in this context, an apparently intentional ambiguity.
Right from the git-go, dishonest argumentation.
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posted on
05/27/2014 1:51:26 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("Justice and judment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:14)
To: Faith Presses On
They should not have had to resign. They should have been removed. See: First Corinthians.
To: Yosemitest
I agree there absolutely won’t be any unrepentant homosexuals in heaven, but those who have repented of the sin of homosexual behavior might get there.
To: Yosemitest
Roger that. “Homosexual Christian” is oxymoronic. Sort of like saying “dry water” or “cold flames.”
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posted on
05/27/2014 2:06:01 PM PDT
by
afsnco
To: Faith Presses On
“Vines is wholly dependent on scholars and books that are no respecters of biblical authority. He has drawn exclusively from a pool of scholars stalwartly liberal and hostile to evangelical hermeneutics. What Vines has done is put together a piecemeal re-telling of liberal hermeneutics for a lay-level readers.
[...] “Vines basic thesis regarding orientation is not derived from the text of Scripture. Rather, the moral force of his argument in favor of legitimizing homosexual desire is used to explain away the text. Which is to say, hes relying on some other authority for his basic claimnamely, an extra-textual moral authority that neither the history of scriptural interpretation nor church history considers valid.”
- http://www.canonandculture.com/reformation-or-revolution-a-review-of-god-and-the-gay-christian
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posted on
05/27/2014 2:11:39 PM PDT
by
ConservingFreedom
(A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
To: ConservingFreedom
It's not just a denial of the text of Scripture, but of the interpretation of those texts which has been consistent in the Church on all continents, in all centuries, and in all cultures for 2,000 years.
It therefore necessarily denies that the Holy Spirit is teaching and leading the Church. It's saying Jesus' promises concerning the Spirit and the Church were unreliable.
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posted on
05/27/2014 2:23:43 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("Justice and judment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:14)
To: FourtySeven
"those who have repented of the sin of homosexual behavior might get there."
Those who have REPENTED,
would NOT be identifying themselves as so-called "GAY"
They're some of the MOST self-hating, MISERABLE people on the face of the Earth.
You need to re-READ
comment #6, especially the last part.
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posted on
05/27/2014 3:31:38 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Faith Presses On
We hate the SIN, not the SINNER.
No need to throw stones, either. I will always remember that scene in SON OF GOD where the adulteress was about to be stoned and Jesus told the people there who were "without sin" to cast the first stone at her.
It was one thing to read about it and quite another to see it acted out. It sure brought it home to me.
To: cloudmountain
Liberal Christians love to quote the “he who is without sin cast the first stone” story.
They almost always forget the last line of the story though, Jesus’ command to the adulterous woman to “Go and sin no more!”
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posted on
05/27/2014 8:54:31 PM PDT
by
AnalogReigns
(Real life is ANALOG!)
To: cloudmountain
Remember this: " For I say unto you,That unto every one which hathand from him that hath not,even that he hathshall be taken away from him.
But those mine enemies,which would notthat I should reign over them,
bring hither,and slay them before me. "
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posted on
05/28/2014 12:37:57 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
Remember this:
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
To: AnalogReigns
Liberal Christians love to quote the he who is without sin cast the first stone story.
They almost always forget the last line of the story though, Jesus command to the adulterous woman to Go and sin no more!I didn't forget it. My point was to not throw the first stone. But, maybe you didn't get that. That was my point.
To: Mrs. Don-o
“I posted this at their site (o tried to: it didn’t seem to go through):”
Your comment is there. Good post.
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posted on
05/28/2014 6:30:35 AM PDT
by
Blue Collar Christian
(Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
To: Blue Collar Christian
Thank you-— now I see it.
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posted on
05/28/2014 8:03:21 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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