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To: af_vet_1981
Preachers deviate from the Scriptural model of "Our Father" all the time; you probably do too.

I don't pray the Our Father.

I don't see it as a canned prayer that if it's prayed, it's prayed like an incantation, and then I will get what I want for every so many *Our Father's*.

I see it as a template or basis, a model to be used on which to personalize your prayers to God.

I haven't considered yet as to whether praying to Jesus or the Holy Spirit is actually a sin or not. I don't recall finding any Scriptural support for it, so on that basis I would consider it unscritpural. Whether it's a sin to address Jesus or the Holy Spirit is something I've just not given a lot of thought to.

251 posted on 06/01/2014 1:40:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
I don't pray the Our Father. I don't see it as a canned prayer that if it's prayed, it's prayed like an incantation, and then I will get what I want for every so many *Our Father's*. I see it as a template or basis, a model to be used on which to personalize your prayers to God. I haven't considered yet as to whether praying to Jesus or the Holy Spirit is actually a sin or not. I don't recall finding any Scriptural support for it, so on that basis I would consider it unscritpural. Whether it's a sin to address Jesus or the Holy Spirit is something I've just not given a lot of thought to.

Thank you for being honest. It seems you will allow those of the holy catholic apostolic faith some liberty in their prayers after all. Is it okay to look at the actual words of the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus as a template or basis, a model to be used on which to personalize our faith and worship ? Can one safely re-form the original into something new ?

I see only good in the Avinu/Our Father, Shema, V'Ahavta, Kaddish, and Modeh Ani prayers. The Hail Mary is almost entirely scripture itself.

I am reminded of these scriptures as a principle that would apply to prayer practice.


252 posted on 06/01/2014 2:18:31 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: metmom
One other comment about the Our Father: if the words seem feigned or canned, one might try slowly meditating on it in the Spirit along the lines of this Psalm through the renewing of one's mind.

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
or Psalm 119 Aleph to Tau, the whole of which is as a prayer, but especially this

Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments. Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

254 posted on 06/01/2014 3:06:46 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: metmom

294 posted on 06/06/2014 5:16:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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