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Protestants Need to Convert (and Bad Catholics need to Revert)
http://catholicism.org ^ | November 5, 2013 | Brother Andre Marie

Posted on 05/26/2014 3:23:25 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: NKP_Vet

Many Protestants reject those seeds and fruits of the culture of death too. Please don’t lump all Protestants with the liberal, heterodox, mainstream Protestant denominations which embraced these evils. Even many members of those denominations are heartbroken about how their churches have rejected the clear teaching of Scripture on these things.


61 posted on 05/26/2014 4:48:56 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Yossarian

“I’ve seen each of these things pushed by prominent Catholics outside of Church”

So the Catholic Church has some protestantized members? I’m shocked, shocked?


62 posted on 05/26/2014 4:49:18 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Christ’s Church is founded on Himself, the Savior of Mankind, not on human beings.

Not quite; Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

63 posted on 05/26/2014 4:49:47 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: boycott

I think you are wrong. I think the Pope will face more scrutiny for he truly cannot claim ignorance of God’s word.


64 posted on 05/26/2014 4:50:15 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: NKP_Vet
The Catholic Church does not codify sin like so many protestant denominations.

Yes, but making the charge that Protestant churches are the cause of sin is quite ridiculous.

And if your Catholic Church is so correct, why do so many of your parishioners take part in the very same sins you condemn the Protestants for?

BTW, I could and would argue that those churches that have codified sin in their doctrine are no longer Christian churches. They no longer can claim the name of Christ.

Furthermore, most of the Protestant churches have refused to bow down to Baal and codify immorality and sin in their doctrine which means that your overall statement was a lie.
65 posted on 05/26/2014 4:51:33 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: lastchance
If a Protestant truly comes to believe in that the Church has the fullness of Truth of course they must convert.

Doubtful.

It is not the "C"hurch that has the fullness of Truth, but Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
66 posted on 05/26/2014 4:52:58 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Salvation

Yes.... yes it could just as easily read that way.

And I don’t support any of the sins on your list any more than you do. Nor do I support those denominations.

The Center is the Triune God and his Word, and the sacrifice of Jesus Chris and the temporal guidance of the Holy Spirit.

All else is man-made pablum; from whatever source.


67 posted on 05/26/2014 4:54:12 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Mark17
http://bound4life.com/history-of-contraception-in-the-protestant-church/ "......by the 1960s and 1970s, virtually all Protestant churches—in America as in Europe—embraced contraception and (somewhat less frequently) abortion as compatible with Christian ethics. Pope Paul VI’s courageous opposition to these acts in the 1968 encyclical, Humanae Vitae, won broad condemnation from Protestant leaders as an attempt to impose “Catholic views” on the world. Even leaders of “conservative” denominations such as the Southern Baptist Convention would welcome as “a blow for Christian liberty” the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision of the U.S. Supreme Court that legalized abortion as a free choice during the first six months (and in practice for all nine months) of a pregnancy. Not a single significant Protestant voice raised opposition in the 1960′s and early 1970′s to the massive entry of the U.S. government into the promotion and distribution of contraceptives, nationally and worldwide.
68 posted on 05/26/2014 4:57:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: bramps
As a Roman Catholic, I respectfully submit that the information you provide is not sufficient to answer your question.

My mother's best friend (Hilda) was a very old-fashioned Methodist born in about 1903. She was a genuinely holy woman who suffered many disappointments and heartbreaks in life but her faith in her Savior and mine (and yours) never wavered. She was personally charitable to a fault, a treasure for many years to her pastors who could count on Hilda for any effort consistent with the will of God.

When her longtime urban neighborhood had degenerated into a drug market and shooting gallery, she held on until her family insisted that she move to the suburbs. At that point, she could not find a Methodist Church to attend that was not an attack on her Savior and our civilization. From that point on, Hilda spent many hours in her living room with the Holy Word of God (KJV).

I am certainly a Catholic and a sinner and shall be fortunate to find myself in heaven. If I get there, I cannot imagine that Hilda and a lot of other holy Reformed Christians of my acquaintance would not be waiting for me if I am fortunate enough to arrive.

OTOH, a non-Catholic who has accepted Jesus Christ as his or her Savior and later commits terrible sins and dies unrepentant is in great eternal jeopardy. And it is not intellectually honest to say that such circumstances prove insincerity of the earlier acceptance of Jesus Christ by such a sinner.

You may disagree and you may have the last word. I have stopped wanting religious arguments here.

May God bless you and yours!

69 posted on 05/26/2014 4:59:50 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Being a baptized and confirmed Lutheran apparantly isn’t good enough to take Communion at the Lords table with all the “pure” Catholics; that and illegal immigration are deal breakers.


70 posted on 05/26/2014 5:02:37 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: Yossarian

Yes, it was 6 protestants and one sorry catholic that voted for murder. The only hold outs were Byron White (appointed by Kennedy) who was a Episcopalian, and William Rehnquist (appointed by Nixon, who was a Lutheran.


71 posted on 05/26/2014 5:08:10 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Catholics cannot receive Communion in a Lutheran church either.


72 posted on 05/26/2014 5:12:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet
Protestantism gave us abortion, artificial contraception, living together without being married, sexual promiscuity, not calling sin sin, as in homosexual “marriage”. Not one of these things have ever been taught in the Catholic Church. For the last fifty years, starting in the radical 60s, with the bra burners and “free love” mentality of the drug crazed “if it feels good do it” movement, protestantism has poisoned the Catholic Church, and needs to be weeded out before it gets any worse.

That is an obnoxious lie straight out of the pit of hell.

Christ is not honored or pleased by this type of behavior.
73 posted on 05/26/2014 5:13:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: NKP_Vet

Ya know, I once lived in an America, where how you held to your faith, was nobody’s business to change it.

The America I lived in, held no homage and deification of any foreign religious leader, because WE WERE AMERICA, and NOT beholding to any foreign seat of power.

Sure, there were street preachers, and sandwich sign walkers, but they already knew their audiences and onlookers.

Now, some of you may find all this incendiary, and I’m ok with that. This is what makes America great - no cookie cutters!

I hold to my belief that being an American, I can tell, equally and fairly, a fancy dressed guy in Rome, or a guy in a dress in Iraq, to go “play with his yo-yo”.


74 posted on 05/26/2014 5:14:06 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: NKP_Vet
This Vorris guy is a real nut-job when it comes to Christianity but I do appreciate his honesty when it comes to the actual position of the Catholic religion...

Protestants and bad Catholics are going to hell, according to Vorris...

What's comical is Mike doesn't have a clue where he's going to end up yet he's telling us Protestants we are going to hell...He must think he's going to scare us out of our eternal security so we will get into the same sinking boat he's in...

Sorry Mike, we know what God promised us and we know he will fulfill that promise...

75 posted on 05/26/2014 5:16:26 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NKP_Vet

What does the Catholic Church have to offer that I am not getting already? I’ve already got Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Bible, grace, salvation, and open invitation to the kingdom of heaven to be manifest inside of me. What more can the Catholic church add to that?


76 posted on 05/26/2014 5:17:19 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


77 posted on 05/26/2014 5:20:24 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: SoConPubbie

http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2012/06/heresy-of-protestantism.html

Protestantism is a highly individualist religion, and it is this very thing that gave it birth, that will ultimately be it’s end. For I do not believe Protestantism will survive the 21st century.

Not survive the 21st century!?! How could Protestantism be dead within 88 years? Yes, that is what I am saying. Within 88 years, by January 1st, 2100, there will be nothing left of the Protestantism we know today. It will essentially be extinct. What will have killed it? The answer is simple — moral relativism. You see, in a religion where there is no real authority other than an inanimate object (a book) that can no more interpret itself than it can read itself, the final authority on any religious matter is none other than the individual practitioner himself. In previous centuries, Protestants primarily fought over doctrinal issues, related to such things as: salvation, predestination, ecclesiology, eschatology, etc. But as Michael Voris pointed out in the second video above, something happened in 1930 that shaped the rapid decline of Protestantism, and in my opinion, ultimately sealed its fate. That something was artificial birth control. In 1930, the Anglican Communion led the way toward accepting what had previously been condemned by all Protestant denominations as a moral evil — contraception. Within just 30 years, every single Protestant denomination had followed suit, and artificial birth control became accepted within the Protestant world.

On a personal note; my own Evangelical tradition in Calvary Chapel had a very profound teaching on this. My wife and I, as Calvary Chapel Evangelicals, were actually taught that God WANTED us to use contraception in our marriage. We were taught that God wanted us to be “good stewards” of our finances, and that meant that we had to limit our family to what we could afford. We were told to “act our wage” and not have more babies than we knew we could financially care for. Thus we were encouraged to use whatever form of contraception was available to us, and failure to do this would be a sin. Now I’m not saying that every Calvary Chapel teaches this, because not every Calvary Chapel is the same. I am however saying that my wife and I were taught this, and so were hundreds of other couples (if not thousands) at the Calvary Chapel we attended. This had a profound effect on our marriage, and resulted in us delaying a family for ten years. It was only after we became Catholic that we finally began to appreciate the value of children in a marriage. We are still trying to overcome the heretical poison of this teaching that was implanted into our minds by Calvary Chapel Evangelicalism. (Your prayers would be appreciated on this.)

Even the most conservative Protestant denominations (the Evangelical Fundamentalists) have fully embraced artificial contraception, and this is the beginning of their downward spiral toward oblivion. Remember, Christianity existed for 1,500 years before Protestantism, and Christianity will do just fine after it’s gone. Evangelical youth are already beginning to see the hypocrisy of the Sola Scriptura argument, which is why a growing number of them are beginning to rationalise the acceptance of pre-marital sex (fornication) and homosexuality (sodomy). Of all the Protestant movements throughout history, Evangelicalism seems to have enjoyed the fastest rise and the highest success. I predict this will be complemented by the fastest fall and the hardest failure in the not-too-distant future. By the time it is complete, Evangelicals will be left with nothing but bad sermons and drums in the sanctuary. They will be crying out for something with more substance. Few, if any, will turn back to mainline Protestantism. Some will return to Catholicism. Most will give up on religion entirely, or else embrace some other form of spirituality, such as the Occult, Buddhism or Islam. Before Protestantism fades away however, there will be one final gasp that will shock the world.

What is the last gasp of Protestantism? Well, it’s a form of Evangelicalism that has enjoyed wide popularity in recent years. It is called the Messianic Jewish Movement, or just Messianic Judaism. What is this? It is nothing short of Protestantism’s dying gasp. You see, modern Evangelicalism is the pinnacle of the Protestant religion. It is the final stripping away of all Catholic traditions and customs. In fact, Evangelical Protestants have a near phobia about traditions, which they view to be “dangerous and mindless rituals” that have no redeeming quality. Simply pull out a rosary and show it to any Evangelical and watch their response to it. To them, it represents everything that is wrong in the world. However, in this phobia against tradition, they do in turn make their own traditions, which they keep quite ritualistically. They pray a certain way. They worship a certain way. Sometimes worship services follow a very set and defined order, which can only be described as ritualistic. Nevertheless, you’ll be fortunate of you ever get one of them to see it for what it is. However, there is a growing number of younger Evangelicals who recognise the emptiness of a tradition phobia. They know there is more to Christianity than just a praise and worship band with drums and a base guitar. They recognise that something went wrong with the Reformation, and perhaps the proverbial “baby was thrown out with the bath water.” Maybe there is something to say for tradition, identity and custom. So in keeping with the Protestant code of rejecting all things Catholic, they have instead turned to modern Judaism for the answer. They have embraced modern Jewish culture, rituals, prayers and dress and commandeered them for themselves. They have created a new form of Protestantism, the last and final form, before it fades way from the earth. They don’t even call it Protestantism, nor to they even call it Christianity. It is Messianic Judaism! Simply take all of the culture and traditions of modern Rabbinical Judaism, and artificially insert an Evangelical Protestant theology, and poof! You have a whole new religion! In the coming weeks I hope to give you some examples of this, and demonstrate just how popular it is becoming. It is in every sense the final conclusion of Protestantism, and it is ultimately the last gasp of Protestantism before it goes the way of the dinosaur.

In the end, Protestantism is madness. It’s a relatively new religious phenomenon, only 500 years old, and it will eventually go extinct, just as many other heretical movements before it. The only hope for any Christian involved in Protestantism is to turn to the traditions of ancient Christianity, and there he will find the Catholic Church faithfully keeping them throughout the centuries, right up until the modern time. As Michael Voris pointed out in his videos above, there must be sanity. Christians need an authority outside of Scripture to teach us what the Scriptures mean, and Jesus Christ set up that authority for us in the Catholic Church. Either we accept it, or we reject it, but we will find no stability in our Christian lives until it is fully embraced.


78 posted on 05/26/2014 5:21:53 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

no, we really don’t. we all need to be reborn.


79 posted on 05/26/2014 5:22:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Why post such divisive rubbish here?

Did anyone force you to click the thread, or view the link?

80 posted on 05/26/2014 5:22:32 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
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