Posted on 05/23/2014 7:05:24 PM PDT by delchiante
Pope Francis privately visited the Basilica of St. Mary Major in Rome this morning to pray and entrust to the Virgin Mary his pilgrimage to the Holy Land. After 15 minutes of meditation and prayer before the image of Mary known as Salus Populi Romani, Pope Francis offered a bouquet of white and yellow roses at the feet of the Virgin. Since the beginning of his papal ministry in March 2013, this is the eighth visit Pope Francis has made to the Virgin Mary, under whose protection he has placed his pontificate. Speaking to Vatican Radio, the archpriest of the basilica, Spanish Cardinal Santos Abril y Castello, explained that Pope Francis sees Mary as a maternal guide and inspiration for his actions.
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Not very.
You have cited the passage as it can be found in Challoner version of Douay-Rheims, did you not?
I won't lay the blame for this mistranslation on Challoner -- although he SHOULD have known better, even if the DR texts he was working with had what Jimmmy Akin (a Catholic apologist) referred to as "copy error" which had changed the word him into the word her leaving what you have brought here presenting it as "bible" be a faulty translation.
In the oldest Hebrew and Greek (OT translations) texts, it speaks of a "his heel" and a male "he" doing the crushing -- or being bit at/laid in wait for etc.. depending upon how one cares to translate the Hebrew at that juncture. BUT -- there is no doubt about the gender identities, with it NOT being a "her" which shall do the crushing.
Here -- go and LOOK --->Gen.3:15 then perhaps do some more investigation of this on your own, since I'm a bit tuckered out doing all the study/work/homework for hard-headed Roman Catholics, who then just either ignore what is placed in from of them, or produce empty denials, etc.
It may have well enough come about by "copy error" as Akin maintains, being that in Latin the words for he-and-she are perhaps about as similar as they are comparably in English, yet in light of the development of hyperized forms of Marionism, even personified by this latest "Pope" laying a wreath of flowers before some earthly statue of depiction of "her" ("Mary") it is difficult to accept that the error was not a "how convenient" one -- for even after notice has been widely enough made and pointed to, the effort to correct or rectify the texts as they may best appear in English translation leaves a lot to be desired, with the U.S. Bishops employing "footnotes" to explain away their own tampering with the text at this precise passage (Gen 3:15) being that there is gender specific language in the best source texts which instead could have (and SHOULD have) been followed -- which the U.S. Bishops instead chose to turn into a "they", providing "footnotes" for their own reasons for doing so --- which in the end still results in having their own opinions being imposed upon the text in this particular passage, rather than faithful transmission of what this particular ancient text did otherwise say...
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Perfect. What more could anyone (Christian) ask of you..?
So "wild" was my tree! I was raised in a church that denied common use of the Bible - claiming that only it's leaders were proficient in its understanding and application. They taught that tradition was equal to scripture and that their leaders are the only teachers and judges of faith and morals. I was required to confess my sin to their leaders and receive absolution from them.
In time, God revealed Himself to me, as He did with you, and I was set free from their bondage. It was not easy for my family - (many of them are trapped - but there is still hope for them. We serve a mighty God! He is not willing that any should be lost.) I imagine the same is true for you.
God has blessed us both. Amen?
Today, I have only ONE advocate with the Father. It is Christ, The Lord! I don't call any other man "father" now. I'm forgiven and justified because of the price that was paid in the Cross - a free gift that I did not earn through my good works. It is because of God's love- His immense love for me.
With you and me, what other choice is there but to serve Him?
You make laugh. If you want Old Testament advice try the Decalogue.
And you do realize how Sicily you sound don’t you?
But He did not teach us to pray to our mother....
That is some of the most ridiculous reasoning one could possibly come up with. If that truly is the best that Romans can do...
And anyone that truly knows the Biblical text ... doesn't.
Blessed are you. You are following the Word of G-d instead of an institution or church.
As a Catholic, I struggle with this and the way I was made to understand is that while biblically, there is no reference to her “standing,” the Pope’s word on such matters is official.
I know everything a Pope says is not infallible, but in instances of decree, it is.
Yeah, I caught the “after”.
Placemarker
The argument that “full of grace” is used identically of both Mary and Stephen is not supported in the Greek.
That's exactly right.
This is because the Catholics are depending on the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible done by St. Jerome (4th Century.) Here, you find "ave gratia plena" translated "Hail full of grace.'"
We know that the New Testament was written in Greek--not Latin--but the Roman Catholic Church has derived its doctrine from the Latin translation--not the original Greek. They are using a false translation. Now they're stuck- since so much is invested in their worship, adoration, and prayer ("Hail Mary") to Mary. They would lose credibility if they corrected the error.
Unfortunately, this means that millions of Catholics will continue to look to Mary for help--not Christ who is truly full of grace.
Of Mary, the Greek word [Lk 1:28] is kexaritomena (highly favored), of Christ (and Stephen) the Greek phrase [Jn 1:14 and Acts 6:8] is plaras karitos (full of grace).
You lost me when you referenced Jimmy Akin. I consider this “ex-protestant” to be no more Catholic than Scott Hahn.
Those are sacraments, not rites.
Yes, ignorance is blissful. You apparently don’t know the difference between latria and hyperdulia.
Interesting, I had never heard of this. Does this mean that the Greek is equating Stephen with Christ?
No.
Many protestants don’t even have a real bible.
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