Posted on 05/15/2014 8:58:50 PM PDT by Salvation
Later, brilliant minds will ask you the meaning of “is”
Nice selective editing. If you could read what I posted to you without it though, you’d see that I answered your question in full. Go to post 217 and answer me honestly, if you can, instead of taking words out of context to twist their meaning, and or get the “precious last word”, again: Do you honestly say there are no significant differences between those listed there and/or your own beliefs?
I noticed you danced around that while taking my use of the words “I”, “my”, “or”, and “if” completely out of context. Hopefully this time you will see that that challenge (to examine the “churches” listed in post 217 for their doctrinal agreement, relative or not) is indeed an answer to your question.
If your next reply isn’t anything as honest as clearly expected in an honest conversation/debate, if it’s another puerile attempt to get the precious last word, it will be ignored for the intellectual trash it is.
Jesus didn't say He was going to establish a church, much less the Catholic one. He never named it and Catholicism making the claim that it's about itself, making it retroactive, doesn't make it so.
He said He was going to BUILD His church.
And that church is being built of all believers in the church age. It's an organism, not an organization.
He established a religious system back with Moses and that was not capable of saving anyone. If Jesus thought a system of religion was the way, He could have left Judaism well enough alone.
THAT system didn't work. Nothing else will.
Religion and religious activities are not the answer.
What happened in the garden is that man's relationship with God was broken and Jesus came to restore that, not to turn people into legalistic religious zealots.
Footnotes are inspired?
Who knew?
“It’s right there in the Bible footnotes”
You do know the footnotes are not inspired??
So; you have no idea either?
Sigh; still blaming ME for your lack of backing up your claim; eh?
Oh well...
This is just the absurd manner of compelling of Scripture to conform to Rome that repels those who look to the Scriptures as the supreme standard for obedience and testing truths claims, as it is abundantly evidenced to be in Scripture.
The reality is that while RCs invoke 1 Timothy 3:15 as if it says the church is the supreme authority on Truth, or now, that "the "Church is the Truth, neither of these claims is what the text says, or what the Greek supports.
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
In the Greek, the pertinent part, with the only actual words in the text and some of the other ways it can be rendered as, says,
behave ["anastrepho:" live/life, turn one’s self]
in ["en"]
house ["oikos:" household]
God, ["theos"]
which ["hostis/hētis/hoti"]
is ["esti"]
church ["ekklēsia"]
living ["zaō"]
God ["theos"],
pillar ['stulos," prop or support]
and ["kai"]
ground ["hedraiōma" (undocumented" from hedraios: sitting, settled, established)]
the ["ho/hē /to:" which, this]
truth. ["alētheia"].
Research says hedraiōma" is undocumented even in Hellenistic Jewish or secular Greek before this, with its root (though roots do not always mean what is derived from them), "hedraios," denoting settled, established, as in the only 3 places that occurs in the NT: "standeth stedfast in his heart," "be ye stedfast," "continue in the faith grounded and settled," (1Co 7:37; 15:58; Col 1:23)
Thus "house God which is church living God pillar and ground the truth," in which the words for "pillar" and "ground" denote support and settled, respectively, indicates, along with other statements and teaching in Scripture, that the church both supports the Truth and rests upon that foundation.
It provides Truth, but it is not the Truth itself, as Christ as creator inherently is, but the church was founded upon Truth and is established upon it, even as the Lord was faithful to show.
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Luke 24:44-45)
And the gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ is,
"by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith." (Romans 16:26)
But somehow this indefinite text is constantly compelled to not only support the church as being the supreme authority on Truth, or "the Truth," but also to support the RCC as being that "church of the living God."
Which is despite it manifestly being about the most spiritually dead church overall, and at best consisting of both lost and saved believers.
Instead of referring to one visible church, the way the church is used in Scripture, outside of addressing particular churches, is that of the body of Christ Eph_1:22, Eph_3:10, Eph_3:21, Eph_5:23-2,27,29,32; Col_1:18,24, etc, the "one new man," "household of God." (Eph. 2:15,20)
This is the one body which consists only of believers, but which has its various visible manifestation wherever baptized pastored born again believers in the essential truth by which they are baptized by the Spirit exists as a community of faith.
And perhaps even Rome may be called a church, for while she stands in critical contrast to the NT church, and fails of both the qualifications and unique attestation by which the authority (which she presumes) of Biblical apostles was established, yet even the mostly dead "church of the Laodiceans" was called so, (Rv. 3:14) as was the church of the proto Romanist "Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them," and thus "receiveth us not." (3 John 1:9)
“-— The Church is the truth!...The Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth.” Its in your Bible. “
This same poster makes this claim repeatedly and I have corrected his usage multiple times. At this point, it is fraudulent usage.
Count the number of times the number seven is used in the Bible.
Because they believe in God and in Jesus Christ His only Son and the Holy Spirit and live their lives in accordance with Christ’s commands.
Starting with Genesis and the seven days of Creation and ending with Revelation and the Seven Churches to whom letters are sent.
It is only by grace that we are saved. What the Church teaches is what one must do to be in full communion with the Church and participate in all the Sacraments Jesus gave for our sanctification.
All the other sacramentals, prayers and such are recommended for our spiritual health. They are not requirements. No one has to pray to Mary. No one has to pray the rosary. No one has to venerate saints.
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.
Yes, through the Church. Protestants would have no Christianity were it not for the Church.
There is no deception in the Church or in any of the defense of her that I have given here. If you believe that to be the case, then please point out what you think is deceptive.
Catholics would have no conservative government were it not for the Protestants.
We can't believe anything you say about anything any more.
placemarke
Why?
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