“Will you or will you not address my points on the John 6 scriptures and other verses I have presented?”
You have not presented any to me. However, I assume you are referring to these passages:
“37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.”
“43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.”
“And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
Those passage do not say anything about God having a list of names, or his choosing people as individual names to come to Christ. Nor does it discuss election.
“Ultimately the primary difference between Arminian and Calvinist readings of John 6 is that Arminians think that the drawing spoken of is God’s reaching out with grace and Calvinists believe the drawing is speaking of unconditional election.”
http://evangelicalarminians.org/proof-texting-presuppositions-with-john-644-65/
I have already said that God takes the initiative in reaching out and revealing himself to us, and that apart from God reaching out to us, none would ever be saved. Some call this prevenient grace, but I think it is simply grace - God reaching out to man, even knowing that many will reject Him. But it is certainly true that God reaches down to man, and man on his own can never reach up to God, nor will man try.
But who are the ones God gives Christ? Is it a list of names, or is it “whosoever believes”? That was answered 8 verses earlier: “Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.””
Those who believe in response to God’s initiative are those placed “in Christ”, and they are then part of the elect - in Christ. And what has the Father granted? That those who repent and believe - in response to God - will become part of the Kingdom. As Jesus says in verse 40: “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Also:
“A person only comes to be in Christ by grace through faith. Only those whose faith is in Christ Jesus will be raised up on Resurrection Day. Faith is the requirement and condition of salvation. So if Christ is to “draw all people” to Himself (John 12.32), and the Father also “draws” people to His Son, then the determining factor of who will be in Christ and experience the resurrection is the faith of the one drawn. The old adage comes into play nicely here. You can draw a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.
Again, Forlines writes, “When Jesus said, ‘And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw [helkuo] all men by Myself’ (12.32), He definitely did not mean that He would drag every human being to Himself. He meant that there would go out from Him a drawing power that would make it possible for any person who hears the gospel to come to Him . . .
“If a person is going to interpret helkuo in John 6.44 and 12.32 to be an irresistible drawing, he must first find a passage elsewhere that irrefutably teaches that there is such an irresistible drawing. Then, he might suggest that as the meaning in John. These verses cannot be used as a part of a person’s arsenal of irrefutable proof of an irresistible calling.”3
You write, “I have sworn not to be distracted with an infinite number of objections, but, rather, to make my opponents address my points before moving on to anything else.”
You can swear what you want, but you neither own the forum not set the rules. In a forum debate, other posters can raise any objections they like. You can answer or remain silent as you choose, but you cannot decide they cannot raise objections at all.
There are hundreds of verses contradicting the spiritual world view of Calvin, so you will have to be content on an open forum to see more than one verse discussed. I am trying to be polite and answer an objection you have never actually raised with me, but I do not concede that you set the rules for the religion forum on FR.
Or perhaps these: a direct answer given to a direct question ...
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
I have referenced them, and have indeed presented them, in multiple posts in this thread.
Those passage do not say anything about God having a list of names, or his choosing people as individual names to come to Christ. Nor does it discuss election.
These are mere assertions. You do not prove your argument. “Ultimately the primary difference between Arminian and Calvinist readings of John 6 is that Arminians think that the drawing spoken of is God’s reaching out with grace and Calvinists believe the drawing is speaking of unconditional election.”
The Arminian view is impossible, since it says clearly that "all" that the Father gives to the Son do come, and none who come are cast out; and, secondly, that it was not given to the Jews who disbelieved at all. If God is merely "reaching out with his grace" to all, and God is making elect whoever responds to this "initiative," then it must both be conditional and universal, which does not exist anywhere in the passages. The initiative, or the starting point, is not God at all, but the man who He foresees will believe or reject. This is rejected by these verses which clearly say that the cause of salvation is the Father's "giving," and explains to unbelievers that it was "not" given to them to believe at all.
If you say that God is only reaching out to those He knows He will respond, this also has no basis anywhere in those verses, and also does not escape the objection. Since, if Christ knew those would not believe because they would reject if given the opportunity, it still does not follow that He would tell them that the reason for their unbelief rests in God's refusal to give the initiative to them. He would say, they do not believe because of their wickedness, and not because God did not give them a chance.
I will also say that you are still not actually responding to the texts I have cited. You are quoting generic website responses, but none of these actually respond to the wording of the text either.
“If a person is going to interpret helkuo in John 6.44 and 12.32 to be an irresistible drawing, he must first find a passage elsewhere that irrefutably teaches that there is such an irresistible drawing. Then, he might suggest that as the meaning in John. These verses cannot be used as a part of a person’s arsenal of irrefutable proof of an irresistible calling.”3
John 6 most certainly irrefutably teaches this, and, therefore, is its own proof-text. We do not ignore passages because we cannot make sense of them, or do not like them, or believe them only if some other verse also says it. If John 6 is holy scripture, then it is just as unbreakable as anything else. Though, the doctrine is supported by all of John's Gospel, where we repeatedly find the same pattern in all of Christ's dealings with the Pharisees. He tells them, again and again, that they "Sheep" hear His voice and will come to Him, and those who do not believe are told that they are "not [His] sheep," and that is why they do not believe. And, beyond John, there are many other places besides.
You can swear what you want, but you neither own the forum not set the rules. In a forum debate, other posters can raise any objections they like.
So it follows that, I have the right to point out the tactics of the sophists, as you do not own the forum.