I have referenced them, and have indeed presented them, in multiple posts in this thread.
Those passage do not say anything about God having a list of names, or his choosing people as individual names to come to Christ. Nor does it discuss election.
These are mere assertions. You do not prove your argument. “Ultimately the primary difference between Arminian and Calvinist readings of John 6 is that Arminians think that the drawing spoken of is God’s reaching out with grace and Calvinists believe the drawing is speaking of unconditional election.”
The Arminian view is impossible, since it says clearly that "all" that the Father gives to the Son do come, and none who come are cast out; and, secondly, that it was not given to the Jews who disbelieved at all. If God is merely "reaching out with his grace" to all, and God is making elect whoever responds to this "initiative," then it must both be conditional and universal, which does not exist anywhere in the passages. The initiative, or the starting point, is not God at all, but the man who He foresees will believe or reject. This is rejected by these verses which clearly say that the cause of salvation is the Father's "giving," and explains to unbelievers that it was "not" given to them to believe at all.
If you say that God is only reaching out to those He knows He will respond, this also has no basis anywhere in those verses, and also does not escape the objection. Since, if Christ knew those would not believe because they would reject if given the opportunity, it still does not follow that He would tell them that the reason for their unbelief rests in God's refusal to give the initiative to them. He would say, they do not believe because of their wickedness, and not because God did not give them a chance.
I will also say that you are still not actually responding to the texts I have cited. You are quoting generic website responses, but none of these actually respond to the wording of the text either.
“If a person is going to interpret helkuo in John 6.44 and 12.32 to be an irresistible drawing, he must first find a passage elsewhere that irrefutably teaches that there is such an irresistible drawing. Then, he might suggest that as the meaning in John. These verses cannot be used as a part of a person’s arsenal of irrefutable proof of an irresistible calling.”3
John 6 most certainly irrefutably teaches this, and, therefore, is its own proof-text. We do not ignore passages because we cannot make sense of them, or do not like them, or believe them only if some other verse also says it. If John 6 is holy scripture, then it is just as unbreakable as anything else. Though, the doctrine is supported by all of John's Gospel, where we repeatedly find the same pattern in all of Christ's dealings with the Pharisees. He tells them, again and again, that they "Sheep" hear His voice and will come to Him, and those who do not believe are told that they are "not [His] sheep," and that is why they do not believe. And, beyond John, there are many other places besides.
You can swear what you want, but you neither own the forum not set the rules. In a forum debate, other posters can raise any objections they like.
So it follows that, I have the right to point out the tactics of the sophists, as you do not own the forum.
“These are mere assertions.”
If that is your best response to an argument, then we are wasting each other’s time. Yes, the opposite side in an argument makes assertions. I back mine with scripture. The passages you never cited to me, but that I answered anyways, do not in any way say that God makes lists of names, and elects or ‘non-elects’ individuals.
“The Arminian view is impossible, since it says clearly that “all” that the Father gives to the Son do come, and none who come are cast out...”
Incorrect. It says that while God reaches down to all, not all will believe. However, those that do believe are those that God gives to Jesus, and “whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” If we respond as Jesus commands “repent and believe”, then we are given to Christ and are placed ‘in Christ”...as it says,
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”
IN HIM. When we heard the word of truth (God’s initiative) and believed in him, we were given life by the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all.”
As Jesus said: “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
But speaking of proof, feel free to show your proof that John 6 is discussing the election of individuals to salvation...