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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Who is the ye and you?

Back up to John chapter 13 and continue reading and you'll find that it is the disciples, who were sitting at the Passover table.

HE did, indeed, CHOOSE them.

32 posted on 05/04/2014 3:08:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Back up to John chapter 13 and continue reading and you'll find that it is the disciples, who were sitting at the Passover table.

Note how he also says "ye have NOT chosen me," showing that their following of Him is predicated on His choice alone to ordain them to everlasting life and fruitfulness. This is a theme throughout the entire Gospel of John, and is consistently applied to all believers, so one cannot say that this only applies to the Apostles alone.

John 6:65 "no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Joh 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me" In instance after instance, God is the active agent in salvation who does the "choosing," and man, who responds, without fail does so and comes to Christ. While the infidels are told that the reason for their faithlessness is because they were not chosen by the Father, are "of this world," and not for any other cause.

Joh 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."

34 posted on 05/04/2014 3:23:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Elsie

So where is their free will?


42 posted on 05/05/2014 9:48:24 AM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Elsie
Back up to John chapter 13 and continue reading and you'll find that it is the disciples, who were sitting at the Passover table.

HE did, indeed, CHOOSE them.

I suspect the author would agree with you as it applies to the disciples. I don't doubt that there have been other specific persons who were specifically chosen for a specific holy purpose. Many of those may not have really had a "choice in the matter."

For most, I truly believe every man has a choice when the Gospel is preached to them. It may take one or many exposures, but a man can choose to either accept or reject the Gospel.

49 posted on 05/07/2014 8:55:50 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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