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To: awelliott

“Peter lied three times when he denied knowing Jesus after His betrayal...”

Exactly. And did not Christ forgive him for that? So why, after 2,000 years, do you still refer to him as a liar for something he did while in fear for his life?


27 posted on 04/22/2014 5:03:55 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Exactly. And did not Christ forgive him for that? So why, after 2,000 years, do you still refer to him as a liar for something he did while in fear for his life?

I believe your would benefit from carefully reading the thread again. I responded to the question of "Where and when did Peter lie?". Peter did lie in the instance I cited: in fact, all of the other disciples also acted ignobly as they scattered in fear. The fact that he was in fear of his life is completely immaterial, unless you're one of those relative morality types.

Nevertheless, I think the "Peter the Liar" moniker is way over the top, which is why I went on to mention that Peter was a forgiven man and a faithful apostle. Peter was not a perfect man either before or after the resurrection For example, Paul had to publicly rebuke Peter for snubbing the Gentile converts in order to please the Judiazers (Gal 2:11-14). Yet, in spite of those momentary lapses, Peter should be remembered as a great Apostle who died a martyr to the cause, and not as a liar. After all, shortly before his denial, this same Peter attacked the Roman soldiers when they came to arrest Jesus, and legend has it that Peter requested to be crucified upside-down as he was not worthy to die in the same manner as his Lord. These are the things for which Peter should first be remembered.

There are other instances in which we fail to give the apostles a fair shake. For example, "doubting" Thomas is the same Thomas who, when the other disciples were trying to dissuade Jesus from the suicidal mission of returning to Judea said, "Let us also go that we may die with Him". (Jn 11:16)

I'll assume that your were careless in reading the thread and that your comment was directed at the author of the "Peter the Liar" post.

31 posted on 04/22/2014 5:41:33 AM PDT by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: vladimir998

We’re all sinners and nothing but the grace of God saved us.

He sent his son to die for us, because we’re born with sin, and then Jesus rose again defeating death once and for all. His sacrifice was perfect. Jesus Christ is the ONLY intercessor between man and God, and the only way to be saved. There is nothing else.

There’s no purgatory, there’s no praying to dead people, there’s no church has authority over the word etc.


35 posted on 04/22/2014 5:49:21 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: vladimir998
So why, after 2,000 years, do you still refer to him as a liar for something he did while in fear for his life?

You guys ever hear of a fella named LUTHER??

49 posted on 04/22/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
So why, after 2,000 years, do you still refer to him as a liar for something he did while in fear for his life?

Vlad; you are a

SINNER!

yet your sins are forgiven as well.

50 posted on 04/22/2014 6:53:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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