I don't think the Bible teaches it the they are saying and they also say that this is what their preacher teaches....
I'd like to hear from my fellow freepers on this...
Have a blessed Easter...
We are also told, "KJV Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."
But the New Testament tells us not to judge, lest we be judged. So what's the difference?
The kind of judging the Christian should not do is what Jonah did. God told Jonah to go preach to Ninevah. Everyone knew Ninevah was wicked. Neither God nor Johan was wrong to have judged Ninevah and called them wicked. They were.
But Jonah refused to go. Jonah didn't think Ninevah was worthy of God's grace and didn't want to tell them about it. God lets Jonah sit in a belly of a fish and think about his refusal to go to Ninevah. So Jonah goes, but when Ninevah repents, Jonah get's angry. Reach Jonah chapter 4. The whole book of Jonah is small.
That's the kind of judging we are forbidden to do. We are sinners saved not by our works but by God's grace. And so we should never look down on others and consider them unworthy of God's grace.
Jesus also said, Mat 7 to first remove the plank in your own eye so that you can see clearly to remove the speck in your neighbor's eye. Notice he doesn't say it's wrong to try to remove the speck in your neighbor, but to make sure first that you are prepared and have dealt with your own issues.
We are also told, "KJV Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."
But the New Testament tells us not to judge, lest we be judged. So what's the difference?
The kind of judging the Christian should not do is what Jonah did. God told Jonah to go preach to Ninevah. Everyone knew Ninevah was wicked. Neither God nor Johan was wrong to have judged Ninevah and called them wicked. They were.
But Jonah refused to go. Jonah didn't think Ninevah was worthy of God's grace and didn't want to tell them about it. God lets Jonah sit in a belly of a fish and think about his refusal to go to Ninevah. So Jonah goes, but when Ninevah repents, Jonah get's angry. Reach Jonah chapter 4. The whole book of Jonah is small.
That's the kind of judging we are forbidden to do. We are sinners saved not by our works but by God's grace. And so we should never look down on others and consider them unworthy of God's grace.
Jesus also said, Mat 7 to first remove the plank in your own eye so that you can see clearly to remove the speck in your neighbor's eye. Notice he doesn't say it's wrong to try to remove the speck in your neighbor, but to make sure first that you are prepared and have dealt with your own issues.
I'm not sure what "any issue" might mean, but the "don't judge" idea to me is two-fold, cautionary, practical advice.
I'm new at this, but my understanding so far is, God is Judge and no one else. Judging is His job. Why? I can think of several reasons, but mainly because He created all and He's perfect.
We aren't perfect. We're sinners, no matter what our good works, nor what form they may take. We are sinners, each and every one of us.
Our imperfections, as God sees them, make us imperfect, sometimes harmful judges, perhaps even hypocrites, in His view. So, we're not to take God's job and do His judging.
Why? Well, mainly because He said so, but also because everything comes back around, one way or another. It's a part of His rules and how he built the world. There are many ways to say it.
For example, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" is one way to say it.
"Judge not, that ye not be judged" is another.
It all comes back around and is used for you or against you. Your call either way. Use your free will wisely.
Personally, I think it can be a very hard rule to follow, especially with politicians.
None the less, Jesus loves us all the same and wants us to be like Him and do as He does, even if that means loving the neighbors who don't "deserve" it, or even those who have earned wrath instead.
If I think of it, I try to remember to take a deep breath, count to 5 or ten or so and remind myself that "He will Judge me, too."
This “do not judge” crap, I think, started with Phil Donohue on his sad talk show...and is liberalism to the core....if we do not judge, then everything/anything is ok to do, say, act on, adopt, etc.
We judge every day...particularly in court rooms...we live by laws that tell us what is wrong and what is right. No laws = total chaos and results in an uncivilized society...
Making moral judgments about a person's character is a requirement for life proper to a rational being. It could make the difference between life or death.
But we can judge sin.
It’s a two-fold answer, if you read Christ’s parable fully. The first is that you shouldn’t be concerned about other people’s sins, only your own. However, if you see the need to serve in terms of pointing out somebody’s sins, you’d better be walking the walk because will be looking to see if you’re consistent in your speech and actions.
Ecclesiastes 3: "To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven: A time to be born, And a time to die . . . A time for war, And a time of peace.
Similarly, I believe there is a time to judge and a time to withhold judgement. The Bible gives us a huge amount of guidance on how to live our lives - too much to follow all at once (is it time for "an eye for an eye" or time to "turn the other cheek"; is it time to put up our swords or time to sell our cloak and buy a sword or two?). God's Word gives us guidance and things to balance, but deciding between competing commands is (in my opinion) often best done through prayer. We know our motives. If we go to the Bible muttering, "an eye for an eye, I'm going to find that and follow it", We're off track. If we pray thoughtfully, I expect to come away from prayer with a good answer, often the best possible answer.
Someone who quotes the Bible to serve the Devil's agenda is off track, and we usually know there is something wrong, we're just too shy to stand up against scripture, even when it is misquoted or taken out of context. The Bible does say that we should forgive and not judge, but it also says almost but not quite the opposite in other passages. The trick is to read and pray, read some more, and pray a lot more.
It makes no sense to condemn a person as a murderer who judges a person as a murder when in fact the person being judged is a murder.
I haven’t gotten below your post yet, but this resonates with me. There are many with questionable lifestyles/behavior that IMHO misuse this verse. I believe that they are intentionally deflecting off their behavior/choices by using this. They are intentionally confusing “criticism” with “judging” so that their choices are not condemned (condemn may not be the best word to use).
I think most people get Judging mixed up with criticizing, I hate the thought of being on a jury because I do not want to judge any one.
Judge Rightly is not a person, it’s a command.
The Bible is saying that all Criminal Justice Law is completely null and void. Man cannot judge man. Only God can. Therefore, revel in the carnage and the madness and the celebration and the killing.
Lying consists of among other things omissions, false premises, & moral relative comparisons.
Anyway, Leftists illegitimately conflate judging one's soul, with judging one's actions. Actions can be judged by men; this is the basis of legitimate discrimination.
For example, whether or not one will go to hell or one is truly guilty of murder it must be said that murder is wrong.
The phrase: "Judge them by their fruits" comes to mind regarding actions.
True, God will judge. However, if our brother or sister is wrong, then we are to correct them.
1 Corinthians 5:12
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves
1 Corinthians 6:1-4
Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?
1 Corinthians 10:15
I speak as to wise men; you judge what I say.
Revelation2:2
I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false
Revelation 2:20
But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond- servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
James 4:11
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
We are to understand good from evil from the Bible and do our best to not sin but Jesus was the only man without sin. Jesus can forgive our sins.
We are not the judges with the power of condemnation of souls. But we can and must express and demonstrate good from evil. God is the only one to judge souls. Jesus is the only one to forgive us and release us from sin as we confess and repent. There is not end to His compassion and mercy. God the Father sacrificed his own son in payment for releasing us from sin’s condemnation.
God Bless you. : )
This is one of the best articles I’ve read on Christians and judging:
http://townhall.com/columnists/frankturek/2008/06/16/why_you_ought_to_judge/page/full