To: SeekAndFind
The American church will be fine, as soon as we repent, fast, and pray.
2 posted on
04/13/2014 7:58:07 PM PDT by
lurk
To: SeekAndFind
I agree, but # 8 had me a bit worried about where it was going
3 posted on
04/13/2014 7:59:14 PM PDT by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
To: SeekAndFind
4 posted on
04/13/2014 8:01:17 PM PDT by
2ndDivisionVet
(I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
To: SeekAndFind
While I have my own problems or issues with the church as a whole didn’t the Bible tell us to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling”. i.e. It is really up to us to question ourselves and the Bible and not blindly follow anyone but to actually do the work of believing! Putting our faith in the hands of another individual other than the Lord himself is a dangerous practice!
5 posted on
04/13/2014 8:05:22 PM PDT by
melsec
(Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
To: SeekAndFind
My grandfather once said to never trust a preacher who owns more than one suit. I thought that good advice then, and I think it’s good advice now.
7 posted on
04/13/2014 8:13:07 PM PDT by
Leaning Right
(Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
To: SeekAndFind; Gamecock
1. Im concerned about the pastor who is better at managing church programs than he is at making disciples of Jesus.
2. Im concerned about the pastor who attracts people with fancy self-help sermons instead of
3. Im concerned about the pastor who is a chief executive instead of a contemplative sage.
4. Im concerned about the pastor who uses the pulpit to milk members instead of minister to the saints.
5. Im concerned about the pastor who makes growing the church the goal instead of glorifying God the goal.
6. Im concerned about the pastor who builds his ministry with people instead of building people by his ministry.
7. Im concerned about the pastor who cultivates a culture of dependency on himself instead of cultivating a culture of community within the church.
8. Im concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily.
9. Im concerned about the pastor who contributes to the culture of consumerism instead of combating idolatry.
10. Im concerned about the pastor who sees the church as a stepping stone instead of seeing it as a custodian of Christs kingdom. All in all, it's not a bad list.
8 posted on
04/13/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by
Alex Murphy
("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
To: SeekAndFind; xzins
Im concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily. Number 8 suggests that this guy doesn't like people who believe in Miracles, or the flood or Jonah or Creation or Adam and Eve and he wants people to take lessons from those stories without believing they are literal. He is suggesting that these stories should be read a literature (i.e., MYTH) rather than literal stories.
Unfortunately since Jesus referred to Noah, Jonah, and Adam and Eve as real people, this guy is suggesting that Jesus was a myth teller.
9 posted on
04/13/2014 8:19:26 PM PDT by
P-Marlowe
(There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
To: SeekAndFind
Might be included in the above list, but a Pastor who goes out of his way to be “hip” has his priorities way out of whack.
10 posted on
04/13/2014 8:21:32 PM PDT by
fwdude
( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
To: SeekAndFind
Im concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily. This is not to suggest the Bible is not important or any less Gods word. Its to say the Bible is literature, divine literature to be sure, but literature nonetheless. That means it needs to be read and understood as Gods word to us (or for us) in the context of its literary genre. Not all the Bible is prescriptive; and none of it was written to be used as a random list of verses cherry-picked capriciously to beat people up or defend our personal ideas and beliefs. The Bible is the holy canon which reveals God to us through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Pastors who mishandle Gods word are extremely dangerous. That was a very large word salad to say that he wants to cherry pick verses that he does not want to follow.
Amazing how he accuses others of exactly what he is doing.
12 posted on
04/13/2014 8:28:01 PM PDT by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
To: SeekAndFind
I have only one concern....and that is that most pastors don’t teach the reality of Satan and how he’s working very hard to destroy not only the Church but the Middle class too.
These days all other concerns are moot.
18 posted on
04/13/2014 8:58:47 PM PDT by
Halgr
(Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
To: SeekAndFind
You all can continue your “conversation” till the cows come home but until you dig through the Roman man made religion you all call Christianity, Pastors can play pastor in anyway, shape or form and it won’t make a difference. Come back to the truths of the Torah. Come to the GOSPEL Jesus preached and told his disciples to preach. It wasn’t his death, burial, and resurrection. Come back to the Gospel that was preached to Abraham. Do your research, dig, study and you won’t need any clergy to continue to lead you into deception. No arguments please...I’m too old and too tired.
Yahweh wants all His children to know His truths. You WILL NOT hear them from the pulpit if you worship in a Sunday church so go ahead and entertain yourself with your pastor’s dog and pony show. Sorry, time is late...you need to seek Yahweh, He wants to show you His Truths.
25 posted on
04/13/2014 10:48:22 PM PDT by
ladyL
To: SeekAndFind
For too many pastors it is a job, not a calling and for most people going it is a club house................
To: SeekAndFind
Did “Smiley” make the list?
39 posted on
04/14/2014 6:56:58 AM PDT by
okkev68
To: Cap Huff
42 posted on
06/25/2014 7:18:31 AM PDT by
Cap Huff
To: SeekAndFind
43 posted on
06/25/2014 7:30:22 AM PDT by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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