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Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? (Dispensational Caucus)
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Posted on 04/13/2014 11:16:00 AM PDT by wmfights

Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?"

Answer: There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23, 16:18; Luke 10:15, 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-11 as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.

When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; dispensationalism; easter; hades; jesus; paradise; resurrection
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To: Resettozero

Good grief


61 posted on 04/13/2014 3:26:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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All this is from the view point that there is a concept of “Time” in the afterlife.

Time is an earthly concept that probably cannot exit in heaven or hell.


62 posted on 04/13/2014 3:38:33 PM PDT by RC51
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To: driftdiver

“Good grief.”

Sorry to bother you but your answer to the poster was unclear. Still is.


63 posted on 04/13/2014 4:43:14 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Good grief, is how I respond to nonsense. If the other poster wants clarification they can ask me.


64 posted on 04/13/2014 4:48:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Good grief, is how I respond to nonsense. If the other poster wants clarification they can ask me.

Then will you please answer it for me? And how was it nonsense to you? I thought it was a serious question.
65 posted on 04/13/2014 4:56:28 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Come up with a serious question and I’ll answer it. Direct some more hyperbole at me again and you’ll get worse.


66 posted on 04/13/2014 4:59:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Come up with a serious question and I’ll answer it. Direct some more hyperbole at me again and you’ll get worse.

To the thief on the Cross, Jesus said he would be with Him today in Paradise. Your response to another poster implied Paradise is or was separated from God. The other poster and I both indicated we didn't understand if you meant Paradise was a part of Hell or not, the subject of this thread. Hyperbole?
67 posted on 04/13/2014 5:12:30 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

No you accused me of saying God was playing word games. Leave me alone.


68 posted on 04/13/2014 5:15:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ArtDodger
Seem to remember reading something like The Gospel of Barnabus (not the vampire) or such which related the journey of Jesus after death to Hell and back. Was not allowed into the New Testament.

You might be referring to The Book of Nicodemus.

69 posted on 04/13/2014 5:15:53 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: driftdiver
No you accused me of saying God was playing word games. Leave me alone.

I accused you of no such thing. Consider yourself left alone.

R2z
70 posted on 04/13/2014 5:18:17 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: wmfights

Read the Apostles Creed.


71 posted on 04/13/2014 5:25:14 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: wmfights

Read the Apostles Creed. In it it mentions Yashua descending into Hell.


72 posted on 04/13/2014 5:25:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: wmfights

Correct! Thank you. It was Nicodemus, not Barnabus.


73 posted on 04/13/2014 5:31:34 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Resettozero; driftdiver
To the thief on the Cross, Jesus said he would be with Him today in Paradise. Your response to another poster implied Paradise is or was separated from God. The other poster and I both indicated we didn't understand if you meant Paradise was a part of Hell or not, the subject of this thread. Hyperbole?

First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Second, the article points out that there is a difference between Hell and Hades. Hell is where the judged and convicted go after the White Throne Judgement. Hades, also known as Sheol, is where all souls went prior to the Crucifixion.

Third, Hades is divided into two parts divided by a deep chasm. On one side souls waiting judgement are tormented. On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

When Jesus told the thief today you will be in Paradise he was telling him where in Hades he was going. After the Crucifixion Jesus went to Paradise and redeemed the Old Testament saints.

I thought the article detailed this with Sriptural references pretty well.

Are you a Dispensationalist? If so please mail me and I will put you on the ping list.

74 posted on 04/13/2014 5:32:03 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: SkyDancer

What are you alluding to? You don’t have to be vaque this is a caucus thread.


75 posted on 04/13/2014 5:33:33 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

And this is where Moses and Elijah were when they appeared with our Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration.

76 posted on 04/13/2014 5:35:14 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: SkyDancer
Read the Apostles Creed. In it it mentions Yashua descending into Hell.

I thought that might be what you were referencing, but I wasn't sure. It seems a lot of posters see a title and start posting before they read the article the thread is about.

Your point is well taken. It goes to show that early on in Christianity believers gave thought to the implications of the Death, Burial and Resurrection of our Savior Jesus Christ beyond their personal salvation. They thought about those who had faith in God in prior eras.

77 posted on 04/13/2014 5:39:31 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: thecodont
And this is where Moses and Elijah were when they appeared with our Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration.

I think so with Moses, but I'm not sure about Elijah, or Enoch. Elijah and Enoch were taken by God before dying.

Just imagine how excited the saints in Paradise must have been when Moses left for a brief time. When Moses returned to them I'm sure he told them the Redeemer was coming soon.

78 posted on 04/13/2014 5:44:45 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Thanks for your response. I asked myself the question you suggested but I did not come up with the same answer(s) you gave me in reply, although I agreed with most of the article.

In Scripture, we find usage of the words heaven, heavens, Hades, Sheol, Hell, Tartarus (tartaroo), the Pit, Abraham's bosom, and Paradise. Because Scripture translations vary, one can use these words to paint various pictures for human understanding that do not perfectly depict the spiritual place (that I and others refer to as Hell) where Jesus went after His death or the eternal aspects of or the enormity of what He accomplished.

My understanding is that Jesus the King of the Jews descended into (your preferred word goes here) and came out with the Keys of Hell and Death. Do we agree on this? Another poster would not discuss this with me.

Yes and the article's points already were a part of my education before reading the article or your response. Thank you.
79 posted on 04/13/2014 6:10:21 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
My understanding is that Jesus the King of the Jews descended into (your preferred word goes here) and came out with the Keys of Hell and Death.Do we agree on this?

No

I don't know what you're referring to about the Keys of Hell and Death.

Also, Jesus Christ did not descend into Hell. He went to Paradise/Abraham's Bossom. The "Gates of Hell" could not keep Him out, or hold the saints in.

80 posted on 04/13/2014 6:17:08 PM PDT by wmfights
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