[wmfights]

To the thief on the Cross, Jesus said he would be with Him today in Paradise. Your response to another poster implied Paradise is or was separated from God. The other poster and I both indicated we didn't understand if you meant Paradise was a part of Hell or not, the subject of this thread. Hyperbole?

First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Second, the article points out that there is a difference between Hell and Hades. Hell is where the judged and convicted go after the White Throne Judgement. Hades, also known as Sheol, is where all souls went prior to the Crucifixion.

Third, Hades is divided into two parts divided by a deep chasm. On one side souls waiting judgement are tormented. On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

When Jesus told the thief today you will be in Paradise he was telling him where in Hades he was going. After the Crucifixion Jesus went to Paradise and redeemed the Old Testament saints.

I thought the article detailed this with Sriptural references pretty well.

Are you a Dispensationalist? If so please mail me and I will put you on the ping list.

[thecodont]

On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

And this is where Moses and Elijah were when they appeared with our Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration.

[Resettozero]

First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Thanks for your response. I asked myself the question you suggested but I did not come up with the same answer(s) you gave me in reply, although I agreed with most of the article.

In Scripture, we find usage of the words heaven, heavens, Hades, Sheol, Hell, Tartarus (tartaroo), the Pit, Abraham's bosom, and Paradise. Because Scripture translations vary, one can use these words to paint various pictures for human understanding that do not perfectly depict the spiritual place (that I and others refer to as Hell) where Jesus went after His death or the eternal aspects of or the enormity of what He accomplished.

My understanding is that Jesus the King of the Jews descended into (your preferred word goes here) and came out with the Keys of Hell and Death. Do we agree on this? Another poster would not discuss this with me.

Yes and the article's points already were a part of my education before reading the article or your response. Thank you.