Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? (Dispensational Caucus)

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[driftdiver]

Good grief

[RC51]

All this is from the view point that there is a concept of “Time” in the afterlife.

Time is an earthly concept that probably cannot exit in heaven or hell.

[Resettozero]

“Good grief.”

Sorry to bother you but your answer to the poster was unclear. Still is.

[driftdiver]

Good grief, is how I respond to nonsense. If the other poster wants clarification they can ask me.

[Resettozero]

Good grief, is how I respond to nonsense. If the other poster wants clarification they can ask me.

Then will you please answer it for me? And how was it nonsense to you? I thought it was a serious question.

[driftdiver]

Come up with a serious question and I’ll answer it. Direct some more hyperbole at me again and you’ll get worse.

[Resettozero]

Come up with a serious question and I’ll answer it. Direct some more hyperbole at me again and you’ll get worse.

To the thief on the Cross, Jesus said he would be with Him today in Paradise. Your response to another poster implied Paradise is or was separated from God. The other poster and I both indicated we didn't understand if you meant Paradise was a part of Hell or not, the subject of this thread. Hyperbole?

[driftdiver]

No you accused me of saying God was playing word games. Leave me alone.

[wmfights]

Seem to remember reading something like The Gospel of Barnabus (not the vampire) or such which related the journey of Jesus after death to Hell and back. Was not allowed into the New Testament.

You might be referring to The Book of Nicodemus.

[Resettozero]

No you accused me of saying God was playing word games. Leave me alone.

I accused you of no such thing. Consider yourself left alone.

R2z

[SkyDancer]

Read the Apostles Creed.

[SkyDancer]

Read the Apostles Creed. In it it mentions Yashua descending into Hell.

[ArtDodger]

Correct! Thank you. It was Nicodemus, not Barnabus.

[wmfights]

To the thief on the Cross, Jesus said he would be with Him today in Paradise. Your response to another poster implied Paradise is or was separated from God. The other poster and I both indicated we didn't understand if you meant Paradise was a part of Hell or not, the subject of this thread. Hyperbole?

First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Second, the article points out that there is a difference between Hell and Hades. Hell is where the judged and convicted go after the White Throne Judgement. Hades, also known as Sheol, is where all souls went prior to the Crucifixion.

Third, Hades is divided into two parts divided by a deep chasm. On one side souls waiting judgement are tormented. On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

When Jesus told the thief today you will be in Paradise he was telling him where in Hades he was going. After the Crucifixion Jesus went to Paradise and redeemed the Old Testament saints.

I thought the article detailed this with Sriptural references pretty well.

Are you a Dispensationalist? If so please mail me and I will put you on the ping list.

[wmfights]

What are you alluding to? You don’t have to be vaque this is a caucus thread.

[thecodont]

On the other side, known as Paradise or Abraham's bosom, the saints wait for their redeemer.

And this is where Moses and Elijah were when they appeared with our Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration.

[wmfights]

Read the Apostles Creed. In it it mentions Yashua descending into Hell.

I thought that might be what you were referencing, but I wasn't sure. It seems a lot of posters see a title and start posting before they read the article the thread is about.

Your point is well taken. It goes to show that early on in Christianity believers gave thought to the implications of the Death, Burial and Resurrection of our Savior Jesus Christ beyond their personal salvation. They thought about those who had faith in God in prior eras.

[wmfights]

And this is where Moses and Elijah were when they appeared with our Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration.

I think so with Moses, but I'm not sure about Elijah, or Enoch. Elijah and Enoch were taken by God before dying.

Just imagine how excited the saints in Paradise must have been when Moses left for a brief time. When Moses returned to them I'm sure he told them the Redeemer was coming soon.

[Resettozero]

First ask yourself, where did the Old Testament saints souls go after they died. They didn't go to heaven because a satisfactory sacrifice for our sins had not been made.

Thanks for your response. I asked myself the question you suggested but I did not come up with the same answer(s) you gave me in reply, although I agreed with most of the article.

In Scripture, we find usage of the words heaven, heavens, Hades, Sheol, Hell, Tartarus (tartaroo), the Pit, Abraham's bosom, and Paradise. Because Scripture translations vary, one can use these words to paint various pictures for human understanding that do not perfectly depict the spiritual place (that I and others refer to as Hell) where Jesus went after His death or the eternal aspects of or the enormity of what He accomplished.

My understanding is that Jesus the King of the Jews descended into (your preferred word goes here) and came out with the Keys of Hell and Death. Do we agree on this? Another poster would not discuss this with me.

Yes and the article's points already were a part of my education before reading the article or your response. Thank you.

[wmfights]

My understanding is that Jesus the King of the Jews descended into (your preferred word goes here) and came out with the Keys of Hell and Death.Do we agree on this?

No

I don't know what you're referring to about the Keys of Hell and Death.

Also, Jesus Christ did not descend into Hell. He went to Paradise/Abraham's Bossom. The "Gates of Hell" could not keep Him out, or hold the saints in.