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Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
WOW!
You ARE brave!
Willing to risk $750 on HERESAY!
(I've got this horse in the fifth race today...)
Hey!
Nobody said anything about teaching; just AMOUNT!
Galatians 5:12
I’m Horney, too!
ADORE my RADIENCE!
Anyway, you haven't read much of Paul's writings, have you?
And, after the research was done; they (them/it/he/her) might be impassioned to return the millions of Bitcoins that their self-aware vehicle thought were modified di-lithium crystals.
I'm sure that we could use them here at FR...
He’s just glorified, bless his heart.
This thread is not about individual Freepers, it is not "about" you.
There is precedence then; right?
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Please show us where the apostles taught that.
“Protestant” service is an awful broad category.
I specifically did not mention names, which I had addressed in a previous post to you and Jim.
This is about a person on this forum who said I was dishonest for just repeating what I heard from multiple protestants.
and my post was specifically in response to daniel’s crack.
But the fact at issue is still in contention, now how do I address the specifics of the contention to be RM safe?
So I get called dishonest for repeating what I have been told by protestants,
and then I can’t respond to daniel’s claim of “more contrived Catholic polemics”
my response was not contrived,
I did respond to directly to his objection and
I did not mention the original posters name as I had asked you earlier
Now exactly what did I do wrong
and exactly how do I respond to get it to “fly”
don’t wanna let it go yet?
Develop a thicker skin about it.
"For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with...insults..."
-- 2 Corinthians 12:10
AM
time is short and I have to run soooon, but
Scripture spoken and/or read aloud by the priest/minister deacon or congregation.
Sunday versus Sunday because they all said Sunday to make it comparable.
This year, I will let you pick the Sunday we can compare apples to apples.
PS I’ve heard of some congregations, not sure who or what denomination, that go on for eight hours.
Lets keep it to the typical Sunday service vs the typical Sunday mass.
more later?
AMDG
Sunday versus Sunday because they all said Sunday to make it comparable.
This year, I will let you pick the Sunday we can compare apples to apples.
Kind of hard to pull off a comparison without surveying all 13 worship services conducted across all 41,000 denominations, doncha think? :)
For a post to 'fly' on the Religion Forum, do not meet fire with fire. If someone has gotten personal with you, send me a Freepmail - don't fan the flames.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I will also pull daniel1212's post 670 because it quotes a now pulled post. He may repost it without the quote (I'll send a copy of it to your Freepmail, daniel1212.)
Wrong. There simply is no "full" at all in the Greek. It was added to the text as part of the extraBiblical exaltation of the Mary-goddess of Catholicism.
no translator, even among the Protestant sleazebags, would use "favor" anywhere in St. Paul's writings, so why use it here
When proof is nonexistent, use slurs. Since charitoō only occurs once in all of Paul's writings then your omniscience must be presumed. Yet to be graced means you have found favor (charis: Lk. 1:30), and "full" is still not even in the Greek, and thus to say "full of grace" it is reading more into the text than what it says, even if the blessed, holy, Spirit-filled Mary was.
It is sheer mariophobia, even when a "catholic" translation does it.
In-credible. Even Catholics who do not agree with annalex are mariophobic, rather than possibly seeking to be faithful to the Greek. But as RCs as yourself are simply bound to defend Rome and her unBiblical Mary, then objective views are not expected, though scorn as a substitute is.
The distinction between canonical scripture and other writings is the canonicity of the former.
This does not answer the question of why these are canonical as regards any difference btwn Divine inspiration of Scripture and Holy Spirit inspired, "dictated" statements by doctors and prelates of the church.
There is no hard and fast rule. Thank God, we are not Protestants with their idiotic legalisms.
This is all it appears you can do in a jam. Your first reply already equated statements by doctors and prelates of the church as being Divinely inspired like Scripture. Now actually answer the questions asked as to any theological distinction btwn Divine inspiration of Scripture and statements by doctors and prelates of the church (see below)?
I told you what the distinction is. If you are sensing that to the Catholic mind the Holy Scripture is inseparable from the entire body of the magisterial teaching of the Holy Church, you are correct.
"Inseparable" does not mean they are equally inspired of God. Scripture is that of the very words of God, being wholly inspired revelation of God, who is the principal author of it. Are you saying statements by doctors and prelates of the church also are the wholly inspired revelation of God, who is the principal author of it? And provide examples as asked. At least are all the writings your refer to all infallible? Are all infallible teachings inspired of God, if not wholly?
Yes, and that is good. The Church wants us to examine the doctrine, weigh it against others and come to the understanding through our own effort so that the doctrine becomes internalized.
That is just one more thing in which we see changes thru the years on among Catholic writings. You are certainly not to engage in objective examination of evidences in order to ascertain the veracity of RC official teaching, while implicit assent is what we see encouraged.
It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock, those who occupy a rank in the different degrees of the hierarchy and the multitude of the faithful. So distinct are these categories that with the pastoral body only rests the necessary right and authority for promoting the end of the society and directing all its members towards that end; the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors. - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X
"The intolerance of the Church toward error, the natural position of one who is the custodian of truth, her only reasonable attitude makes her forbid her children to read or to listen to heretical controversy, or to endeavor to discover religious truths by examining both sides of the question. This places the Catholic in a position whereby he must stand aloof from all manner of doctrinal teaching other than that delivered by his Church through her accredited ministers." - John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals ,
“All that we do [as must be patent enough now] is to submit our judgment and conform our beliefs to the authority Almighty God has set up on earth to teach us; this, and nothing else.” “Absolute, immediate, and unfaltering submission to the teaching of God's Church on matters of faith and morals-----this is what all must give..” —“Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means " ,
The church is infallible...the church, as a visible, organized society, is the immediate recipient of a certain divine revelation, and the medium of it transmission. .Each individual must receive the faith and the law from the church, of which he is a member by baptism, with unquestioning submission of the intellect and the will. Catholic world, Volume 13, by Paulist Fathers, p. 580
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