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Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
Full Title: Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Roman Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
Hey good..,
I believe the problem originates from what I have been told by protestants I trust who have told me that prayer is worship and worship is prayer so if you are praying to Mary you are in fact worshiping her.
However, if protestants have only one kind of prayer, which is always ‘worship’; it should be fairly obvious that is the catch.
Because for a Catholic there at least seven distinct types of prayer that I am aware of and probably others I am not.
Distinct Catholic Prayer Types:
1) Adoration - as I understand it equivalent to a protestant’s worship;
2) Contrition - a prayer of sorrow and repentance;
3) Thanksgiving - such as saying grace before meals;
4) Supplication - a request for strength, healing or help;
5) Meditation - prayer for understanding a particularly deep aspect of Christ’s life - like the Agony in the garden;
6) Contemplation - a prayer state of being open to hearing the words of the Holy Spirit; and
7) lectio divinia - a very slow, deliberate contemplation on a scriptural passage or passages.
My Prayer for today:
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.
My Lord and My God, how truly wonderful and glorious you are.
Forgive me for my transgressions and weaknesses of this day, as I am sorry for how they hurt you, especially for slighting my wife and daughter last night.
Thank you for all the gifts you have bestowed on me and my family, as we have been blessed out of all proportion to what we deserve.
I ask for for the grace to better serve my family who I know represent you on earth, and I ask for patience and forbearance from those I don’t understand.
I ask this through Jesus Christ who lives and reigns world without end amen.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.
For the Greater Glory of God
Former Baptist, not current Catholic. We celebrate Hanukkah, that doesn’t make me Jewish. Actually, I make pretty mean latkes.
I'm sorry to hear that somebody did that (?)--- and sorry to hear of it too, mixed in with publicly pronounced prayer as it is, that is addressed more directly to God the Father, in the name of Christ --- which by-passes going though "Mary" to get there --- which part looks like progress to me.
Carry on, soldier. As you were.
Waaa? Would you rather I slight yours??
I believe James 5:16 says exactly what it means and means exactly what it says - not your own personal interpretation, because it is unscriptural to do as your suggest ‘confess your sins to God’:
“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.”
secondly did you never thoughtlessly or otherwise slight your wife or daughter? - because if you haven’t you are a better man than I am.
In addition, we should examine our conscience DAILY and make an Act of Contrition afterwards:
“Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because I have offended Thee, Oh My God, who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve,with the help of Thy Grace to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life, Amen.”
BTW, If your haven’t performed 1) a through Examination of Conscience, 2) don’t confess ALL your sins, 3) don’t make the Act of Contrition and 4) don’t attempt to actually amend your life - IT DOESN’T COUNT.
BTW you should try telling your sins to a priest some time - face to face.
For the Greater Glory of God
What it infers is that God was the actual author of such as with Scripture, versus at most being protected from error as in (purportedly) infallible statements.
So what's this about continuing to repeat you've been sinned against?
Citing James 5:16 doesn't help much -- if one is confessing others sins committed against themselves --- unless it was yourself who slighted your wife and daughters? uh ...I didn't consider that possibility. Perhaps you can clear up just what this "slighting" you mention was more specifically all about.
Besides... you may not know how I as you put it --interpret -- that passage --- for I otherwise much recommend that we confess our sins to on another.
Yet at the same time it is also scriptural to confess one's sins to God, particularly those which be not committed against another person, but against God more directly.
Still, confessing our sins to one another (and that we have sinned against God, too) that we may be healed -- is right and proper.
What is less than fully scriptural, if you would take us towards delving into that further, is concept of all sins being needed to be confessed to a [Roman] Catholic priest (in good standing with that church?) or else we cannot be "forgiven" --- or possibly -- healed, either. But please take note that confessing to a priest is certainly not precluded or excluded.
Now since you made some public confession, and being that this then was followed by appeals towards legalism be applied to myself (and what you perceived or assumed be my own beliefs) should I then do much the same in return?
What then? Would you be then restricted to only gaining for yourself "healing" --- but according to legalisms within [Roman] Catholicism, and need to yet go elsewhere (other than we here present on FR) for "forgiveness"?
What gives? Just what was this offer to "slight" my own [wife and daughters] by asking if I would prefer you do that, all about?
How would that remedy in any manner that having done (as you have said it did) to your own?
Or would it be more simple to just forgive that person that "slighted" those dear to yourself?
good grief man - you are the one who underlined your.
Think about that - of course it was my wife who the heck would I be talking about.
and I said it in jest!
and all through Acts it is said time and again having met on the lords day we confessed our sins aid the blessing and ate the bread...
it is never found the exact quote we ‘confessed our sins to God’ it always says to one another or each other.
However, without the thorough Examination of Conscience and the an Act of Contrition and without that desire to avoid the sin it doesn’t count - it’s a whiff.
I think you analysis is a lot closer to traditional thought than many of your brethren.
btw the sacramental act of any person, priest or holy one is separated from any transgressions they may have made.... otherwise how could Peter’s evangelization have been efficacious after he essentially spit in Christ’s eye by directly denying Him - if the sin is not separated from the sinner after forgiveness, as common sense is still confirmed in faith.
AMDG
“BTW you should try telling your sins to a priest some time - face to face.”
1. Priests are not an official office of the Church. All Christians are now priests.
2. Nowhere are we commanded to confess to a priest. We are commanded to confess our sins to one another.
When yer hot; yer hot!
Well...
Hail Mary full of grace The Lord is with you.
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
You used her name in two of these three sentences at #337.
If your high school English teacher asked you to define the sentences; what might be your answer?
See; that really wasn't so hard; was it!
You didn't mention Mary at all!
Thank you for sending your prayer Heavenward. Your prayers ARE important to us; but all of our representatives are busy right now. Stay on the line until a representive can get to you shortly.
{cue Gregorian chant #45}
actually if you read back thru the 2nd and 3rd century Apostolic Fathers they did confess their sins to one another - BUT they had certain unscrupulous persons in the flock who used those sins publicly confessed against the penitent.
To avoid this abuse the Bishops of the 2nd or 3rd council voted to have confession privately to the presbyters.
Now you may not accept the validity or authority, but that is how it came down to us today in the church.
For the Greater Glory of god
What does TRADITIONAL mean in this sentence?
And that solved the problem: Cool!
Thanks for the explanation. It doesn’t overrule God’s instructions in His Word, but it at least explains how the train went off the track.
Elise please read all the words,
I know that I’m just going to get a cut an past job back at me, but you know I approach you with respect.
I know you say over and over the ‘6000 prayer requests per second has overloaded the lines’, but I would just point out the ONE word which is wrong and that is SECONDS.
You see because because God is infinite, and has no beginning and no end, He is the alpha and omega - that THERE IS NO TIME FOR GOD.
For god there is No past, No future, only the infinite NOW.
And therefore, there are no seconds, minutes or hours - I know, I know you are disappointed but that is the fact.
It doesn’t matter thou since God is able to keep all the balls in the universe up in the air at the same time - ‘cause he made them all - He and all the Angels and all the Saints all hear every prayer we utter and see every sin we make - He misses nothing because He exists outside of time.
It is you and I who may not hear all that is told us because we are the ones stuck in time not God and heaven.
Chaire, Kecharitomene
Hail, Full of Grace
It came from Scripture you need to take it up with St. Luke.
Mary as being blessed in found in the Holy Bible. The first instance is in Luke 1:28 when the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to announce to her that she would be the mother of the Lord Jesus.
“And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.” [Lk. 1:28]
The next instance is when Elizabeth was with the Holy Spirit, she stated that Mary was blessed.
“And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” [Lk. 1:42]
Then there is when Mary sang the Magnificat that is found in Luke 1:46-55.
“Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.” [Lk. 1:48]
Finally, there is another reference during the ministry of Jesus when a woman raised her voice in the crowd and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts that nursed you!”
“And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck.” [Lk. 11:27]
So are you a Scripture guy or not?
AMDG
you may think it went off the track but not Catholics -
you know you can go to confession too to a priest even though you are protestant - try it - especially face to face-
you don’t know what you are missing until you try it.
AMDG
Elise,
I don’t want to hurt your feelings, so try not to get all defensive ok?
I have spoken to several protestants about confession and usually they say “I do an Examination of Conscience!”
So I ask them how do you do it and they say:
ok, I don’t have any idols before me, haven’t engraved any images, didn’t takes the Lords name in vain, I keep all the Lord’s Days, haven’t killed anybody, did steal anything, not coveted nothing or nobody - it’s all good.
Well it is not all good.
A REAL Examination of Conscience looks like this:
First Commandment: I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. (Including sins against Faith, Hope and Charity)
Have I neglected the knowledge of my faith as taught in the catechism, such as the Apostles Creed, the Ten Commandments, the Seven Sacraments, the Our Father, etc.?
Have I deliberately doubted or denied any of the teachings of the Church?
Have I taken part in any non-Catholic worship?
Am I a member of any non-Catholic religious organization, secret society or anti-Catholic group?
Have I knowingly read any heretical, blasphemous or anti-Catholic literature?
Have I practiced any superstitions (such as horoscopes, fortune telling, Ouija board, etc.)?
Have I omitted religious duties or practices through motives of human respect?
Have I recommended myself daily to God?
Have I been faithful to my daily prayers?
Have I abused the Sacraments in any way? Received them irreverently, e.g. Communion in the Hand without obeying the principles and the 7 rules promulgated by Paul VI as binding in this matter?
Have I made fun of God, Our Lady, the Saints, the Church, the Sacraments, other holy things?
Have I been guilty of great irreverence in church, e.g., conversation, behavior, or dress?
Have I been indifferent with regard to my Catholic Faith believing one can be saved in any religion, that all religions are equal?
Have I presumed on God´s mercy at any time?
Have I despaired of God´s mercy?
Have I hated God?
Have I given too much importance to any creature, activity, object or opinion?
Second Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Have I sworn by Gods name falsely, rashly or in slight and trivial matters?
Have I murmured or complained against God (blasphemy)?
Have I cursed myself or others, or any creature?
Have I angered others so as to make them swear or blaspheme God?
Have I broken a vow made to God?
Third Commandment: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
Have I missed Mass on Sundays or Holy Days of obligation?
Have I been late for Mass on Sundays or Holy Days of obligation or left early through my own fault?
Have I made others miss Mass on Sundays or Holy Days of obligation, leave early or be late for Mass?
Have I been willfully distracted during Mass?
Have I done or commanded unnecessary servile work on Sunday or Holy Days of Obligation?
Have I bought or sold things not of necessity on Sunday and Holy Days of obligation?
Fourth Commandment: Honor thy father and thy mother.
Have I been disobedient or disrespectful to my parents, or have I neglected or refused to aid them in their wants or to do their last will?
Have I shown irreverence to others in positions of authority?
Have I maligned or insulted priests or others consecrated to God?
Have I failed in due reverence to aged persons?
Have I mistreated my spouse or my children?
Have I been disobedient or disrespectful to my husband?
Regarding my children:
Have I neglected their material needs?
Have I failed to care for their early baptism? *(See below.)
Have I failed to care for their proper religious education?
Have I allowed them to neglect their religious duties?
Have I allowed them to date/go steady without the prospect of marriage within the near future? (St. Alphonsus says 1 year maximum.)
Have I failed to supervise the company they keep?
Have I failed to discipline them when they need it?
Have I given them a bad example?
Have I scandalized them by arguing with my spouse in front of my children?
Have I scandalized them by cursing or swearing in front of them?
Have I guarded modesty in the home?
Have I permitted them to wear immodest clothing (mini skirts; tight pants, dresses, or sweaters; see-through blouses, short-shorts, revealing swim suits, etc.)?
Have I denied their freedom to marry or follow a religious vocation?
*Infants should be baptized as soon as possible. Apart from particular diocesan prescriptions, it appears to be the general view that an infant should be baptized within about a week or ten days after birth. Many Catholics defer Baptism for a fortnight or a little over. The view that Baptism should be administered within three days after birth is considered too strict. St. Alphonsus, following common opinion, thought that a delay, without reason, beyond ten or eleven days would be a grievous sin. In view of modern custom, which is known and not corrected by local Ordinaries, a delay beyond a month without reason would be a serious sin. If there is no probable danger to the child, parents cannot be convicted of serious sin if they defer Baptism a little beyond three weeks at the outside, but the practice of having an infant baptized within about a week or ten days of birth is to be strongly commended, and indeed an earlier date may be rightly recommended. H. Davis, S.J., Moral and Pastoral Theology, Vol. III, pg. 65, Sheed and Ward, New York 1935
Ask for leaflet LF05 The Marylike Standards for Modesty in Dress
Fifth Commandment: Thou shalt not kill.
Have I procured, desired, or hastened the death or bodily injury of anyone?
Have I borne hatred?
Have I oppressed anyone?
Have I desired revenge?
Have I caused enmity between others?
Have I quarreled or fought with anyone?
Have I wished evil on anyone?
Have I intended or attempted to injure or mistreat others?
Is there anyone with whom I refuse to speak, or against whom I bear a grudge?
Have I taken pleasure in anyones misfortunes?
Have I been jealous or envious of anyone?
Have I had or attempted to have an abortion or counseled anyone else to do so?
Have I mutilated my body unnecessarily in any way?
Have I entertained thoughts of suicide, desired to commit suicide or attempted suicide?
Have I become drunk, used illicit drugs?
Have I overeaten or do I neglect to eat properly, i.e., nutritious foods?
Have I failed to correct in Charity?
Have I harmed anyones soul, especially children, by giving scandal through bad example?
Have I harmed my own soul by intentionally and without necessity exposing it to temptations, e.g.: bad TV, bad music, beaches, etc.
Sixth and Ninth Commandments: Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor´s wife.
Have I denied my spouse his or her marriage rights?
Have I practiced birth control (by pills, devices, withdrawal)?
Have I abused my marriage rights in any other way?
Have I committed adultery or fornication (premarital sex)?
Have I committed any unnatural sin against purity (homosexuality or lesbianism, etc.)?
Have I touched or embraced another impurely?
Have I engaged in prolonged or passionate kissing?
Have I engaged in petting?
Have I sinned impurely by myself (masturbation)?
Have I entertained or taken pleasure in impure thoughts?
Have I indulged in lustful desires for anyone, or willfully desired to see or do anything impure?
Have I willfully indulged in any sexual pleasure whether complete or incomplete?
Have I been an occasion of sin for others by wearing tight or otherwise revealing and immodest clothing?
Have I done anything to provoke or occasion impure thoughts or desires in others deliberately or through carelessness?
Have I read indecent literature or looked at bad pictures?
Have I watched suggestive movies, TV programs, or Internet pornography or permitted my children to do so?
Have I used indecent language or told indecent stories?
Have I willingly listened to such stories?
Have I boasted of my sins or taken delight in past sins?
Have I been in lewd company?
Have I consented to impure glances?
Have I neglected to control my imagination?
Have I prayed at once to banish such bad thoughts and temptations?
Have I avoided laziness, gluttony, idleness, and the occasions of impurity?
Have I attended immodest dances or indecent plays?
Have I unnecessarily remained alone in the company of someone of the opposite sex?
Note Well: Do not be afraid to tell the priest any impure sin you may have committed. Do not hide or try to disguise any such sin. The priest is there to help you and forgive you. Nothing you say will shock him, so do not be afraid, no matter how ashamed you might be.
Seventh and Tenth Commandments: Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor´s goods.
Have I stolen anything? What or how much?
Have I damaged anyones property?
Have I negligently spoiled anyone´s property?
Have I been negligent in the stewardship of other peoples money or goods?
Have I cheated or defrauded others?
Have I gambled excessively?
Have I refused or neglected to pay any debts?
Have I acquired anything known to be stolen?
Have I failed to return things borrowed?
Have I cheated my employer of an honest days work?
Have I cheated my employees of their wages?
Have I refused or neglected to help anyone in urgent need?
Have I failed to make restitution for my stealing, cheating and frauds? (Ask the priest how to go about making restitution, that is, returning to the owner what you unjustly took from him/her.)
Have I been envious of another because I don´t have what he has?
Have I been jealous of what another has?
Have I been stingy?
Have I been grasping and avaricious, placing too great importance upon material goods and comforts? Is my heart set on earthly possessions or on the true treasures of Heaven?
Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Have I lied about anyone (calumny)?
Have my lies caused them any material or spiritual harm?
Have I rashly judged anyone (i.e. believed firmly, without sufficient evidence, that they are guilty of some moral defect or crime)?
Have I injured the good name of another by revealing true but hidden faults (detraction)?
Have I disclosed another´s sins?
Have I been guilty of talebearing, (i.e. reporting something unfavorable said of someone by another so as to create enmity between them)?
Have I lent an ear to or encouraged the spreading of scandal about my neighbor?
Have I taken false oaths or signed false documents?
Am I, without necessity, critical, negative or ever uncharitable in my talk?
Have I flattered others?
Either you make a REAL Examination of Conscience or don’t waste Gods time
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/requests/examconc.asp
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
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