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Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: LurkingSince'98

Read your own threads. It is quite clear.

Have you accepted Jesus as your Savior?


1,101 posted on 04/11/2014 5:02:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: af_vet_1981
By your reasoning and interpretation of Rev 12, of whom does Isaiah speak here ?

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

 

 

Next question.

1,102 posted on 04/11/2014 5:07:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98; Alex Murphy; Alamo-Girl; Gamecock; Elsie; metmom
After just a little checking I am now making the assertion myself. Catholic masses do have more scripture than protestant services.

What kind of absurd assertion is that? To even say protestant services have more scripture than Catholic masses is likewise an absurd assertion, as protestant services are so varied, esp. as defined by RCs, that one is claiming omniscience by making either statement.

And which certainly will not be settled by your contest, and i am sure i find you a Prot service that contains more as well as less Scripture than a RC Mass, but which does not prove anything as regards Prot vs. Cath. services having more. And despite your denial, that was the premise behind your presumptuous challenge, and burdening Jim to example and take notes in potentially dozens of messages in a timely manner.

You need to admit that apart from offering easy money, you challenge was ill- considered. You also admit you have never been to a protestant service while your own unsubstantiated exalted idea of a Mass is already manifest in your false belief that nearly 80% of the Old and New Testaments are read at daily Mass over a period of three years." While admitting "Protestant services are mostly sermon whereas a 5 minute homily may not add even one line of scripture."

In addition, your own list of the use of Scripture includes many things that are not quotes of Scripture but merely reference it for support.

I plan to go thru them next God willing.

Here is a contest perhaps the RMs could judge, but it is not their function to do all of it:

The typical RC posts are apt to example more logical fallacies (like the oft repeated polemical basic assertion, "the Catholic Church gave you the Bible, it assuredly knows what it means"), absurd unsubstantiated or specious assertions, and commit more "personal fouls" and other rule violations than the Protestants that oppose them here, though the competition can sometimes be fierce (esp. are re the latter! protestant services ever even said that in those terms? While not as extreme as claiming omniscience by assertion there never has been a bit of anti-Prot bigotry on FR, you are not only claiming you known how much protestant services have in totality, but never clarifying what yoy mean "protestant" services

1,103 posted on 04/11/2014 5:15:43 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: af_vet_1981
Israel only gave birth to Messiah through Miriam.
 
HMMMmmm that ol' Luke is STILL the joker; isn't he!
Leaves Mary out of the lineage!
 
 
Luke 3:23-38
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being....

the son (as was supposed) of Joseph,
the son of Heli,
the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi,
the son of Melchi,
the son of Jannai,
the son of Joseph,
the son of Mattathias,
the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum,
the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai,
the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias,
the son of Semein,
the son of Josech,
the son of Joda,
the son of Joanan,
the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel,
the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri,
the son of Melchi,
the son of Addi,
the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam,
the son of Er,
the son of Joshua,
the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim,
the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi,
the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah,
the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam,
the son of Eliakim,
the son of Melea,
the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha,
the son of Nathan,
the son of David,
the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed,
the son of Boaz,
the son of Sala,
the son of Nahshon,
the son of Amminadab,
the son of Admin,
the son of Arni,
the son of Hezron,
the son of Perez,
the son of Judah,
the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac,
the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah,
the son of Nahor,
the son of Serug,
the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg,
the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah,
the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad,
the son of Shem,
the son of Noah,
the son of Lamech,
the son of Methuselah,
the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared,
the son of Mahalaleel,
the son of Cainan,
the son of Enos,
the son of Seth,
the son of Adam,
the son of God. 


1,104 posted on 04/11/2014 5:28:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums
They don’t need Jesus?

Learn to read, then opine. The Catechism said that?

The Catechism is infallible also in these two canons. It is, indeed Jesus Christ Who may save the invincibly ignorant, the Muslim, and also the Protestants, because the Salvation is in the One Catholic Church where He will meet you all.

1,105 posted on 04/11/2014 5:28:51 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums
>>Learn to read, then opine. The Catechism said that?<<

Yep.

847 Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

That clearly says even though they don’t know Jesus they can achieve eternal salvation. The same with the Muslims. They don’t believe in Jesus yet the Catholic Church claims the plan of salvation includes them. The Catholic Church teaches “another gospel”.

1,106 posted on 04/11/2014 5:36:28 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: af_vet_1981

Israel only gave birth to Messiah through Miriam.
 
HMMMmmm that ol' Matthew includes a HOOKER and an ADULTERER in the lineage!!


 
Matthew 1:1-17

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, and Jesse begot David the king.

David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah. Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa. Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon, and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.


1,107 posted on 04/11/2014 5:37:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

He said he was the boss.

I assumed that he was self employed.

I could have been wrong!


1,108 posted on 04/11/2014 5:39:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
Mary was simply a vessel

Read the Holy Gospel once in a while. People are not vessels.

Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. ... Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? (Luke 1)

I don't think Mother of God somehow did not give us the Lord. But then I believe the Gospel as written.

1,109 posted on 04/11/2014 5:39:59 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: LurkingSince'98
After just a little checking I am now making the assertion myself.

Catholic masses do have more scripture than protestant services.

So prove I’m wrong and Jim gets $750 of my money ....

Prove you're right.

All we have so far is your say so.

You checked how? When? With whom?

1,110 posted on 04/11/2014 5:41:01 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Elsie

Many Catholic truths and values were adopted and absorbed by the Protestants, the Mormons, and even the unbelievers. Those people are not all bad.


1,111 posted on 04/11/2014 5:41:44 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: af_vet_1981

Thank you.


1,112 posted on 04/11/2014 5:42:08 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: LurkingSince'98
You forgot again - my money - my contest - my rules.....

Which keep being changed by the hour.

And if we don't play by your ever changing rules.... What? You take your ball and go home?

1,113 posted on 04/11/2014 5:42:08 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
Mary did not

See my above post to Cynical Beaver

1,114 posted on 04/11/2014 5:43:07 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
It is, indeed Jesus Christ Who may save the invincibly ignorant, the Muslim, and also the Protestants, because the Salvation is in the One Catholic Church where He will meet you all.

Sounds a bit, shall we say, arrogant.


Romans 11:4
And what was God's answer to him? "I have 7,000 others who have never bowed down to Baal!"

1,115 posted on 04/11/2014 5:43:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

How DARE you accept the clear meanings of words!!


1,116 posted on 04/11/2014 5:44:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
But then I believe the Gospel as written.

Hold this thought.

1,117 posted on 04/11/2014 5:45:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
>>I assumed that he was self employed.<<

Assumed ey? Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-)

1,118 posted on 04/11/2014 5:46:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: annalex
Many Catholic biblical truths and values were adopted and absorbed by the Protestants, the Mormons, and even the unbelievers.

You have NO right to claim them exclusively yours!

1,119 posted on 04/11/2014 5:47:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

I know...

I should have noticed he typed ‘the boss’; not ‘The BOSS!’


1,120 posted on 04/11/2014 5:48:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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