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To: SoothingDave

Since sin enetered the world through Adam, God did not need Joseph physically in His plan for the redemption of man.

Sin did not enter the world through Eve, as sin is passed on through the loins of men, not women, thus there was no need for Mary the mother of Jesus to be immaculately conceived.


31 posted on 03/31/2014 8:22:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Was Adam created immaculately or not?

Where is this “sin is found in the sperm” idea found in the Bible anyway?


35 posted on 03/31/2014 8:27:49 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Sin did not enter the world through Eve, as sin is passed on through the loins of men, not women, thus there was no need for Mary the mother of Jesus to be immaculately conceived.

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I can’t agree that there was no need for the mother of Jesus to be immaculately conceived but not because she didn’t carry original sin, hardly. Remember that Jesus was half man and half God. He absolutely needed the carnal half, the human half to be able to appreciate the weight of sin and overcome sin. Because He was human and overcame sin He was able to be punished, or accept the punishment for the rest of mankind and keep us from having to receive it. Because He was also God He was able on His own to overcome death. When we agree to accept His punishment for us then we too will be free of Adams curse of death.

While this may be an oversimplification it is the cornerstone of Christian faith. The Immaculate conception is not important because it brings Christ into the world without sin, it is important because His Father is The Father and because His mother is mortal.


60 posted on 03/31/2014 9:51:53 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Sin did not enter the world through Eve, as sin is passed on through the loins of men, not women, thus there was no need for Mary the mother of Jesus to be immaculately conceived.

Speakin' of loins....


Genesis 50:24–31

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.

25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter, and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;

31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BACKLINE
The line across the ice at the back of the house. Stones which are over this line are removed from play.

BITER
A stone that just touches the outer edge of the circles.

BLANK END
An end in which no points have been scored.

BONSPIEL
A curling competition or tournament.

BRUSH
A device used to sweep the ice in the path of a moving stone.

BURNED STONE
A stone in motion touched by a member of either team, or any part of their equipment. Burned stones are removed from play.

BUTTON
The circle at the centre of the house.

COUNTER
Any stone in the rings or touching the rings which is a potential point.

CURL
The amount a rock bends while travelling down the sheet of ice.

DRAW WEIGHT
The momentum required for a stone to reach the house or cirlces at the distant end.

END
A portion of a curling game that is completed when each team has thrown eight stones and the score has been decided.

GUARD
A stone that is placed in a position so that it may protect another stone.

HACKS
The foot-holds at each end of the ice from which the stone is delivered.

HEAVY
A rock delivered with a greater force than necessary.

HIT
A take-out. Removal of a stone from the playing area by hitting it with another stone.

HOG LINE
A line 10 meters from the hack at each end of the ice.

HOGGED STONE
A stone that does not reach the far hog line. It must be removed from play.

HOUSE
The rings or circles toward which play is directed consisting of a 12-foot ring, 8-foot ring, 4-foot ring and a button.

IN-TURN
The rotation applied to the handle of a stone that causes it to rotate in a clockwise direction and curl for a right-handed curler.

LEAD
The first player on a team to deliver a pair of stones for his/her team in each end.

OUT-TURN
The rotation applied to the handle of a stone that causes it to turn and curl in a counter-clockwise direction for a right-handed curler.

PEBBLE
A fine spray of water applied to a sheet of curling ice before commencing play.

RAISE
When one stone is bumped ahead by another.

ROLL
The movement of a curling stone after it has struck a stationary stone in play.

SECOND
The curler who delivers the second pair of stones for hi/her team in each end.

SHEET
The specific playing surface upon which a curling game is played.

SHOT ROCK
At any time during an end, the stone closest to the button.

SKIP
The player who determines the strategy, and directs play for the team. The skip delivers the last pair of stones for his/her team in each end.

SPARE
An alternate player or substitute.

SLIDER
Slippery material placed on the sole of the shoe, to make it easier to slide on the ice.

SWEEPING
The action of moving a broom or brush back and forth in the path of a moving stone.

TAKE OUT
Removal of a stone from the playing area by hitting it with another stone.

TEE LINE
The line that passes through the centre of the house parallel to the hog line and backline.

THIRD, VICE-SKIP OR MATE
The third player on a team to throw two stones in each end. Generally this player acts as the skip when the skip is delivering his/her stones and assists with shot selection decisions.

WEIGHT
The amount of force given to the stone during the delivery.

177 posted on 04/01/2014 11:00:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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