Posted on 03/27/2014 5:56:01 AM PDT by marshmallow
I cannot say it better. But this is not Elizabeth defining/proclaiming a title, I think, which the translators would have capitalized if Mary herself was thought to be divine. She is not an Athena, or Diana, or Artemis. The Jews do not have a female God.
Honestly, the argument over calling Mary the Mother of God is just stupid. She was the mother of Jesus who was God hence Mother of God. Really, this stuff isn’t too difficult. It’s really just the Transitive Property of Religion: If A=B and B=C, then A=C. Unless of course, we all disagree that Jesus was God.
You have not completed the final inference that your line of thinking is meant to imply. Here is what you are trying to say:
"Mary bore Jesus; Jesus is/was God; therefore Mary, the Mother of God, is also Divinity."
That, of course, is not true, and the Islamists know so, but they want to perpetrate the false idea that their Allah is the God of the Bible in the credulous minds of the ignorant, who have made Mary out to be a Co-Redemptrix with Jesus, and therefore equal to, and to be worshipped as, The God.
I reject your linguistic twisting of Elizabeth's address to Mary, as does Albert Barnes, whom I quoted.
Who said Mary is divine?
No, it is quite clear:
Jesus is God, Mary is the Mother of Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God.
Really quite simple. You of course can reject Christ;s teaching in His Catholic Church . We all have free will.
I don’t care what they do.
Jesus is God, Mary is the Mother of Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God.
But you have not completed this. What you want us to infer is as follows:
Jesus is God, Mary is the Mother of Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God, therefore Mary is Divine, to be worshipped as God.
I think you mean here, "I do not want to confront this issue, which is what this discussion was about."
So man up, and admit what you really seem to want me to believe that the Scripture says, "Mary is just as much Divinity as Jesus, the Only Begotten Son of God."
Is this not so?
No, I said what I mean. I don’t care what the Islamists say or do. They are heretics...as are you.
And Mary is not divine. Never said it because Christ’s Catholic Church never said it.
Sorry to disappoint you in your efforts to twist my words and meanings.
Please tell me, from this debate, how you came to the conclusion that I am a heretic. I want you to lay out what I wrote that makes me a heretic.
You are denying that Mary is the Mother of God.
I am denying that Mary preexisted the Godhead. Your use of it strongly suggests, and perhaps presumes, otherwise.
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Lk._1:35 AV)
Notice, this bestowed title is spoken of in the future sense. Yes, the natural body of Jesus the Son of man was placed in Mary by the power of the Holy Ghost, nurtured as a foetus, and expelled from her womb at birth. So, of this holy thing (adjective, neuter, singular, the noun gramatically absent but inferred in the Greek, translated as "thing" in the English), she was the bearer and thus a "mother"; but she was not the progenitor of the Pre-incarnate Being substantially investing that natural body. Is that clear?
The Holy Ghost wisely, and noting the nuances of language, never used the phrase "mother of God" referring to Mary, the bearer of the Messiah as the preborn, totally complete human child to be named Jesus. That is a fine, but linguistically necessary distinction from Mary as "mother of Jesus."
And that makes all the difference between the Syracuse (former church house) mosque being named after Jesus as merely another prophet rather than Jesus as The Son of The God.
One word: Nestorianism
According to the opinion of fallen men who were dabbling in an area outside the Great Commission for which they had no biochemistry or genetics knowledge at tha time, nor Scriptural authority for it. I will stick with the Scriptures and the Holy Ghost on this one, keeping physical facts in view.
ie. you’ve chosen to remain in your heretical POV.
>> “However, His legal claim to the throne, His royal right, comes through Joseph, the husband to which his mother was wedded” <<
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No, that is absolutely false.
Royal lineage must be by blood, and kings of Israel are anointed by Yehova.
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>> “One word: Nestorianism” <<
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Obviously Nestor was a wise and Godly man, unlike most Roman catholics.
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>> “Have a PIGFEST!!!
ON SITE...” <<
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Catholics usually call those Easter.
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