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Former Syracuse Catholic Church to Become Islamic Mosque
CNY Central ^ | 2/24/14 | Laura Hand

Posted on 03/27/2014 5:56:01 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Buckeye McFrog

Moslem Albanians burning down a serbian orthodox church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31UpU3LztvM


41 posted on 03/30/2014 4:31:24 PM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: editor-surveyor
No, that is absolutely false.

I believe you are greatly mistaken.

Royal lineage must be by blood, and kings of Israel are anointed by Yehova.

Don't be silly. Your understanding of Jesus' lineage and His culture is confused.

To be a king, you had to be born the son of a king. That son's mother did not need to be Jewish, nor even Hebrew. The unbroken line of kings of Judah had to be from Solomon, after whom the Kingdom was split into Israel and Judah.

The northern kingdom was given to Jeroboam, not a son, but rather a servant of Solomon, so the kingdom of Israel cannot provide David's title to Jesus. They were then captured and scattered by the Assyrians, so no longer existed as a kingdom by Jeremiah's time.

Rehoboam, son of Solomon, was king of Judah, through whom passed David's kingly rights, to his son, and down on to Joseph. And Jesus, being born in Joseph's house, inherited these rights to the throne of the Judahites, or as we call them, Jews.

Now, one could, and did, in the case of Rehoboam, inherit the title "King" and/or the rights to the throne, even though he was born to a non-Jew mother.

But a true Jew (of the tribe of Judah) inherits his Jewishness through his mother, for in those days there was no blood type or DNA paternity test to prove your natural male progenitor was Jewish. But you need no such proof of your blood descent if your mother is the daughter of a Jewish woman. So Jesus was counted as a Jew for being born of Mary of the tribe of Judah. And Mary's proof of that tracks back up through her genealogy to Nathan, the son of David.

But Nathan was not a king, therefor the title to the throne could not pass through him; and therefore Jesus did not obtain righta to the throne through Mary.

And, in fact, even His maleness was not acquired through Mary, so we know biologically at least half of his flesh characteristics did not come from Mary at all.

Furthermore, since His Blood was/is incorruptible forever, that quality could not have come from Mary the espoused wife of Joseph, either.

Personally, I hold that none of His material flesh and blood (including the placenta, which keeps the natural or surrogate mother's blood cells from intermingling with that of the infant), came from Mary's flesh and blood. I believe the last Adam' flesh and blood was created just like the first Adam's flesh and blood; yea, likely the exact same constitution; that, though tainted and in the process of dying from the sin disease, multiplied to became all humans that ever existed.

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Don't be a fool. Jesus was/is counted as being Jewish because of Mary's lineage, and counted as receiving throne rights through Joseph.

His flesh was absolutely sinless and perfect, as was Adam's before the Fall. That perfection could not have come from Mary's flesh, which was marred by the sin of Adam and Eve and imparted to their progeny, inherited by all humans down through the ages.

So, Jesus' human substance, humanity, and nature was as perfect and sinless through His Perfect Flesh and Absolute Life-giving Incorruptible Blood. His Divinity and Holy Nature and Substance were inseparably and perfectly united with His humanity in The Anointed One, The Messiach. As The Son of The God and The Son of the human, He was completely and substantially both Divine and human.

His Kingship derives from The Father giving to Him all authority in Heaven and on Earth, and accrues to Him on Earth legally because of His uninterrupted lineage from David through Solomon and Rehoboam, linked continuously down to Joseph, terminating and residing now and forever with Him.

42 posted on 03/31/2014 3:07:44 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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The confusion is all yours, and not Yehova’s.

Yeshua was not born the son of Joseph.

His only connection to the race of man is his mother.
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43 posted on 03/31/2014 7:56:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Sorry. You do not know the Bible and you do not know even our laws. A male child born to a married woman is legally the son of her husband, unless and until he can prove otherwise, and then formally disown him. Same for a daughter.

Though Joseph certainly knew that his espoused wife Miriam was with child before he carnally knew her, he willingly was wed to her before the child was born, thus Jesus was his legal son, to raise as he wished.

This also entailed that Jesus inherited the right to the throne of David, by primogeniture through his lawful father, Joseph. Substantively, Joseph was not Jesus' natural father, but procedurally he was Jesus'legal father, and he accepted that responsibility by the request. That is an unassailable relationship before the law of inheritanc because it was never annulled by Joseph.

Quod erat demonstratum.

44 posted on 03/31/2014 10:29:00 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Look wiseacre,Yehova does not go by some stupid pagan man made law.

Yes, I do know the Bible, and that seems to be what perplexes you. We’re not dealing with what men dictate, it is what Yehova has dictated. Joseph is no issue WRT Yeshua; he didn’t even live long enough to see him begin his adult ministry.

All that Yeshua is is by what was foretold by Isaiah, not by you.


45 posted on 03/31/2014 12:23:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
What are you getting at? What are you trying to prove? What is it it that the writer of Isaiah says that you think contradicts what I said? And what is your purpose in calling me a liar and using irrelevant insulting appelatives contrary to site rules?

Originally the topic here was about the conversion of a Catholic church building to be a Mohammedan mosque and its meaning. What is your point relative to that?

Treating you as a legitimate debater is becoming tiresome. I have other fish to fry, so why don't you disclose your motives and then we'll be done.

46 posted on 03/31/2014 12:56:34 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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I didn’t call you a liar because I think you really believe the nonsense that you posted.

The laws and traditions of men are of no effect on the kingdom of God, capiche?

Joseph was not Yeshua’s father, and nothing about Joseph is of the slightest relevance to him. Yeshua is of the House of David because he is the son of David’s daughter.

My ‘motive’ is to stop the flow of nonsense on this forum.


47 posted on 03/31/2014 2:59:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; Religion Moderator
My ‘motive’ is to stop the flow of nonsense on this forum.

With all due respect to your person, it is crystal clear that God has not called you to that task, nor do you seem to be equipped with the logical and spiritual preparation for it. If you think otherwise, perhaps counsel with the religion moderator (who has already accepted that position) would help you find your place.

48 posted on 03/31/2014 5:33:07 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: editor-surveyor

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


49 posted on 03/31/2014 6:25:30 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: imardmd1

So disagreeing with your man made ‘facts’ is a sin now?

LOL!


50 posted on 03/31/2014 7:12:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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